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post #21 of 29
9/26/12 at 5:34am
pretty sure the bitrate is the more important issue. im not audio expert though. i primarily shoot a bunch of broadcast video though and we usually have a sound designer on set to take care of audio for us video guys tongue.gif
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post #22 of 29
9/26/12 at 5:51am
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while the medium in of itself is nothing special, a regular CD doesnt have the capacity required....
and to be honest its a mute point, fact of the matter is SACD > CD regardless of how its achieved
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The adjective moot refers to something that is debatable or of no practical importance. The adjective mute means unspoken or unable to speak.

If it is MUTE, you don't need to worry about how to listen to it at any rate wink.gif
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post #23 of 29
9/26/12 at 5:54am
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pretty sure the bitrate is the more important issue. im not audio expert though. i primarily shoot a bunch of broadcast video though and we usually have a sound designer on set to take care of audio for us video guys tongue.gif

to a point.

And for a video analogy: A better quality camera with a better lens shot at a lower resolution would look better than than a cheap camera shot at a high resolution.
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9/26/12 at 5:56am
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fact of the matter is SACD > CD regardless of how its achieved

when all things are equal except the medium, there's no difference except for storage space, which is key to say surround sound soundtracks.
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post #25 of 29
9/26/12 at 6:13am
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If it is MUTE, you don't need to worry about how to listen to it at any rate wink.gif


hardy har har, you the typo police tongue.gif
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9/26/12 at 6:14am
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when all things are equal except the medium, there's no difference except for storage space, which is key to say surround sound soundtracks.


what point are you trying to make?

SACD> CD why are you trying to argue that
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9/26/12 at 11:42am
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One thing that can be helpful is to look at the recording engineer or producer of the album you are interested in regardless of its bit-rate and sample rate. Make note of the engineer that you identify as having a well mastered CD. One that comes to mind is Jim Anderson. He has worked with Patricia Barber and others. Alan Parsons is known as one of the better recording engineers as well but I have not found much of his own music to match my personal tastes. I think this will lead you to finding music that sounds great with less emphasis on its medium.
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post #28 of 29
9/26/12 at 3:37pm
Basically put, 16 bit 44.1khz is for normal humans, but if you're a superior being like myself, then you can listen to higher like 24/96.

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9/26/12 at 11:22pm
We can maybe drag this a bit further biggrin.gif, what about representation of non-sine waves (square or triangle)? Higher sample rates can better preserve sharp corners and have straighter lines, at higher frequencies even the amplitude of a triangle/square wave may not be correctly represented. Does higher sample rate better deal with non-sine waveforms? Could there be an audible difference in material containing these waveforms captured at lower/higher sample rates?

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This would also suggest one benefit of sampling at higher rates such as 96kHz or 192kHz even though our ears cannot hear past 20kHz. A higher sampling rate can help preserve amplitude and harmonic accuracy for non-sine waves at high frequencies.


There could be more smile.gif, most of the referenced and quoted material so far seems to deal with the specific sample-rate/bit-depth being presented straight to the DAC (no further transformations/processing). What if there is further processing, even just a truncating/rounding or dithering volume slider (maybe a couple if your in Windows and the KM mixer), can something as simple as a bad volume transformation (not or badly dithered) have an audible effect at 16-bit? If you could produce an audible effect at 16-bit would the same transform performed at a higher bit depth be less noticeable (there would be a much smaller quantization error)? Is that a reason to use or at least re-sample to a higher bit depth if you want to do anything other than send the source straight to the DAC? Are higher bit-depth more robust against any unwanted/bad processing effects which may exist in the digital path?
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