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CHEAPEST gaming rig? Game + Browser + internetRadio + XFire/ Mumble

Poll Results: Which system is the best for me?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 14% of voters (8)
    4c, 3.0, FM1, A8-3870K IGP
  • 50% of voters (28)
    4c, ?.?, FM2, A10-5800K IGP
  • 5% of voters (3)
    4c, ?.?, FM2, A8-(trinityK) IGP
  • 1% of voters (1)
    4c, 2.8, FM1, Athlon II X4 641
  • 5% of voters (3)
    3c, 3.2, AM3+, Athlon II X3 450
  • 23% of voters (13)
    2c, 3.0, 1155, G850 + HD 6670
56 Total Votes  
post #1 of 65
Thread Starter 
PS: About the POLL, if it's not IGP, it's paired up with a HD 6670. I messed up, sorry.

CHEAPEST gaming rig? Game + Browser + internetRadio + XFire/ Mumble

Hi all,

I've spent the last 3 weeks trawling the net and also this forum for more information and I've gotten a pretty good idea of what a cheap gaming rig could be.

USAGE:
*As it is, I normally game with a browser on (switching tabs between forums, or game guides, and the game itself.
*Additionally, I will be streaming internet radio on PotPlayer (or any other CPU efficient media player). Sometimes I stream off of YouTube playlists instead.
*Finally I always have Mumble (or Teamspeak or Ventrillo) on. Actually, maybe XFire.

I play mostly MMOs, all kinds, and some offline games sometimes.

I don't care *at all* about encoding performance and all that stuff like RARing, vid encoding, photoshopping or any other kinds of productivity tools. Just gaming like the above.

Given the above play environment, I'm under the impression that 4x cores would come in handy. Besides, I have read several articles mentioning that games like BF3, and any other games using the Unreal3 engine, utilizes 4 cores efficiently.

GRAPHICS LEVEL:
It would be nice to play every current and upcoming games on at least Medium, maybe even at 1080p? I'm not too anal between 1080p and 720p I suppose. In fact, I've never really tried gaming at 1080p on a capable machine so I do not really know what I'm missing out on.
Are 1080p monitors way more expensive than 720p monitors? If so, it would be a significant consideration.

I am comfortable with overclocking and would consider getting an H60 (or even an H100), once I decide that it would be a better investment over air cooling such as 212+, 212 Evo, TX3 (any other better performers at p/p?). We are in a tropical country where it's very humid (85%) and temperatures can reach 35dC easily, thus my preference for liquid cooling.

CHOICES:
So I'm still feeling absolutely torn between choosing between these configs:
- 4c, 3.0, FM1, A8-3870K IGP --> FM1 upgrade path, allows for expansion via DualGraphics.
- 4c, ?.?, FM2, A10-5800K IGP --> coming soon, allows for expansion via DualGraphics
- 4c, ?.?, FM2, A8-(trinityK) IGP --> coming soon, allows for expansion via DualGraphics
- 4c, 2.8, FM1, Athlon II X4 641 + HD 6670 --> FM1 upgrade path, don't know this processor and its performance or OC
- 3c, 3.2, AM3+, Athlon II X3 450 + HD 6670 --> AM3+ upgrade path, don't know this processor and its performance or OC
- 2c, 3.0, 1155, G850 + HD 6670 --> zero overclocking capabilities, but has great reviews (game-centric) and 1155 upgrade path.

Other components in mind:
- GSkill/ Corsair 2x4GBs 2000Mhz (maybe 2133?). Which are the ones with preinstalled heatsinks btw?
- The cheapest 6GB/s HDD at 500GB. Caviar blue?
- Hopefully I can cram all of this into the tiniest slimmest form factor? mATX, mITX... I have no experience here.
- (maybe) WiFi antenna

I plan to NOT install:
- DVD Drive

Going into Phenom II x4/x6, or i3 with a discrete GPU looks like they would blow the prices northwards way too much. And for some reason, I just don't wanna consider AMD FX CPUs, can't recall why.

FREE PIZZA AND BEER:
Finally, I would be looking to build 5 identical systems (maybe 10), for family, gf and friends (and their friends), so the economics of scale has a huge impact.

I would be earning free pizzas and beer, I suppose. I plan to get hooked up for a month's supply at least, haha.

I have 2 weeks to a month to sink our hard earned cash into this.

Thanks guys.

ps: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kaiMCsquare/saved/ ...configured 3 or 4 systems based on the above and all are within $20 range of each other.
Edited by kaiMCsquare - 9/23/12 at 11:30am
post #2 of 65
Thread Starter 
I messed up the poll.

If it's not IGP, it's paired up with a HD 6670. Thanks.
post #3 of 65

Are you planning to oc? If not then an a8-3870k is useless. You mize save some money and buy an a8-3850

post #4 of 65
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by noobhell View Post

Are you planning to oc? If not then an a8-3870k is useless. You mize save some money and buy an a8-3850
I'm planning a mid-level OC (aiming for 4GHz hopefully), as long as it doesn't stray too far from stock voltages. Given my hot climate, I'm intently looking at Corsairs H60/80/100, or Thermaltakes Water Pro/Performer/Extreme, or anything else that performs just as well, but is cheaper (heh).

This is also why the A8 looks compelling as I also hope to OC the GPU as well and with the GPU on-die, the water-cooling solution will cool both CPU and GPU at the same time..
But of course, I have no real-world experience nor enough knowledge on this, save for a few overclocking guides on the net.
post #5 of 65
I have a Phenom x4 970 overclock stable @ 4.2 MHz
post #6 of 65
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gh071458 View Post

I have a Phenom x4 970 overclock stable @ 4.2 MHz
im pretty sure that's too expensive. i do know the 965BE and above are great overclockers though. grats.
post #7 of 65
the amd systems are best if doing a lot of multitasking.
running internet radio and gaming and mumble all at once; you'll be able to appreciate the extra cores.

the pentium system will meet or exceed the amd for single threaded applications. so if you're not multitasking, the pentium will give you better gaming and light task performance. relevant tomshardware thread.

in my opinion, getting a decent motherboard and saving up for a 2500k would definitely be worth it if you're interested in better performance.

hope this helps :]
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post #8 of 65
Out of the options listed, I'd say a A10-5800K. Just make sure you get atleast 1866 memory. The onboard graphics speed relies very heavily on fast memory.


However, here is what I would do:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3859884&CatId=332

Plus

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161396

and

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1387814&CatId=1624


It's a little over budget (about $550), but it give you far superior performance over any of your options listed.

I ran a similar setup (same case/powersupply, similar MOBO, 1055T OC'd to 3.4ghz, MSI 6870 card) for a while. It ran everything I threw at it, and my current rig (same card, FX-8120@4.2ghz) runs everything I have great. Crysis 2, BL2, etc.etc.

This would be a respectable gaming PC, and would last a bit longer I think, that an APU dual card setup.
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post #9 of 65
If you buy that 6870, the power supply that comes with the barebones kit will need a dual molex to 6 pin adaptor. Some people don't like doing this, so If you want to stay with just a single 6 pin power connector, this card will do you well:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131477


Not as powerful as a 6870, but more powerful than the daul GPU setups you list here.
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post #10 of 65
Quote:
Hopefully I can cram all of this into the tiniest slimmest form factor? mATX, mITX... I have no experience here.

AMD's APU setup wins by default then.

Hybrid Crossfire gives you HUGE advantages if small form factor is the necessity. There are affordable low power 6670s. The combination of these with the onboard HD 6550D gives AMD APU setups a low profile advantage that is unmatched.

Edit: I don't think an APU + low profile card will fit the budget because of your monitor need.

 

My suggestion for best balance on this particular build given the budget you have set for your other builds that goes something like:

 

A8-3870k + ASRock A75M-HVS - $165 shipped ($160 + 5 ship) [Newegg]

Kingston HyperX Blu 2x4GB DDR3-1600 - $35 shiped [Newegg]

Apex DM-317 low profile case/PSU - $42 shipped [NCIX]
WD Caviar Blue 320GB HDD - $43 shiped [NCIX]

Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 120GB SSD - $85 shipped [Newegg]

 

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@Gundamnitpete's suggestion: No. Stay AWAY from the bundle deals that are ripoffs and poorly configured. You are for one pairing the 955 with a motherboard that does NOT support 125W TDP processors properly. You are using a crummy PSU. The discount is null and void because a self-configured PC is better for the price:

 

AMD Phenom II x4 955 - $80 shipped ($74 + 6 shipping) after code CRUNCH15 [Superbiiz]

ASRock 770 iCafe - $63 shipped ($55 + 8 shipping) [Newegg]

Mushkin Stilletto 2x2GB DDR3-1600 kit - $21 shipped [NCIX]
WD Caviar Black 1.5TB 7200RPM HDD with 5 year warranty - $104 shipped [NCIX]

Bitfenix Merc Beta - $30 shipped [NCIX]

Antec Neo ECO 450C - $34 shipped [NCIX]

LG DVD-RW drive - $14 shipped [NCIX]

Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - $170 shipped [Amazon]

 

Tigerdirect combo cost: $498 + $20 shipping = $518 shipped

This combo cost: $516 shipped - $2 savings

 

For a net savings of $2:

  • Far better board with proper 125W TDP processor support and overclocking-ready
  • Dual channel DDR3-1600 vs generic memory
  • Faster WD Black HDD with 5x the warranty period
  • Better case with behind-the-tray cable management
  • Better quality/more efficient PSU


Supercombos/DIY kits are for the lazy. It's better to just not suggest them, ever, to anyone.


Edited by xd_1771 - 9/23/12 at 1:08pm
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