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Thanks for the suggestion! I am having trouble finding a 6870 for that price though.....Most of them are 165 dollars and upwards. A few have mail in rebates for 20-30 bucks.....But I'm not certain I'll be able to take advantage of those since I won't be ordering until next month. Other than that looks great smile.gif
Oh yeah, I heard somewhere that the phenom 965 actually beats out the 1045T at stock speeds. Is this true?

Yes I actually experienced this. Going from a phenom x 4 to a thuban 1055t I got worse performance. I would avoid AMD as all their CPU's as of late are horrible. The only CPU they have thats worth anything is the phenoms. 960T is my favorite. It really comes down to what is more important CPU power or GPU power? If you go intel you will not regret it as it is so powerful not even funny. I use to be an AMD fanboy until I bought a 2500k last year.

I would avoid going AMD because for a 700 dollar rig its a waste. My first build is perfect for you, however if CPU power is more important go with my second build. XD is a solid guy and he knows what hes talking about, however he only seems to favor recommending AMD so I would do your research before going with his build.

I Love AMD and even have a dedicated APU review thread so I am no Intel fanboy, however I do feel strongly about bigger budgets. As I fell for the AMD propaganda my first build and regretted it. after I got a second 6950 I had to upgrade my hexa-core AMD cause it was bottle necking me.

Also Z77 platform has features AMD does not. Anyways whatever you choose good luck!
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Yes I actually experienced this. Going from a phenom x 4 to a thuban 1055t I got worse performance. I would avoid AMD as all their CPU's as of late are horrible. The only CPU they have thats worth anything is the phenoms. 960T is my favorite. It really comes down to what is more important CPU power or GPU power? If you go intel you will not regret it as it is so powerful not even funny. I use to be an AMD fanboy until I bought a 2500k last year.
I would avoid going AMD because for a 700 dollar rig its a waste. My first build is perfect for you, however if CPU power is more important go with my second build. XD is a solid guy and he knows what hes talking about, however he only seems to favor recommending AMD so I would do your research before going with his build.
I Love AMD and even have a dedicated APU review thread so I am no Intel fanboy, however I do feel strongly about bigger budgets. As I fell for the AMD propaganda my first build and regretted it. after I got a second 6950 I had to upgrade my hexa-core AMD cause it was bottle necking me.
Also Z77 platform has features AMD does not. Anyways whatever you choose good luck!

Alright, thanks man; I probably will be going with your original build. CPU-wise, I don't need a ton. Just something that will record any games I may play and won't bottleneck any card I might upgrade to (a gtx 670 seems likely sometime next year) Basically something to get the job done, but not going above and beyond. I realize your answer will probably be an automatic yes, but I figure I'll ask anyways. Does the performance increase of a 3220 justify spending an additional 40 dollars to get it over the 965 when the 965 more or less satisfies all my current needs and allows me to get a more powerful graphics card than the i3 would?
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Alright, thanks man; I probably will be going with your original build. CPU-wise, I don't need a ton. Just something that will record any games I may play and won't bottleneck any card I might upgrade to (a gtx 670 seems likely sometime next year) Basically something to get the job done, but not going above and beyond. I realize your answer will probably be an automatic yes, but I figure I'll ask anyways. Does the performance increase of a 3220 justify spending an additional 40 dollars to get it over the 965 when the 965 more or less satisfies all my current needs and allows me to get a more powerful graphics card than the i3 would?

That's a good question. Yes the i3 is more powerful than the 965. If you wanted to increase you budget for a better GPU you could dump the SSD I have in there and grab a 7870. Did you have a gpu in mind? 7870 is more than enough for me, It maxes all my games just fine including BF3.

Sticking with that Z77 platform will ensure a future upgrade to the powerhouse 3570k or 3770k if you ever need or want the extra power.
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Note: Prices are Canadian and shipping not included. Both are within the budget of $700 including OS.

My build has some sacrifices on the PSU and the the HDD but you get a decent GPU and great CPU.


CPU - i5-2500k - $175 - http://computerpartsdrives.com/lightspeed.php/intel-core-i5-i5-2500k-3-30-ghz-processor-socket-h2-lga-1155.html -- PM at NCIX.com since I haven't a clue what this site is
Mobo - MSI Z77 - $80 After MIR ($90) - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=74287&promoid=1265
RAM - Samsung 8GB - $45 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
Storage - 1TB Seagate/WD - $70 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265
GFX - GTX 550Ti - $90 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59501&vpn=01G-P3-1556-KR&manufacture=eVGA&promoid=1265
Case - Z9 - $30 After MIR ($40) - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57909&vpn=Z9&manufacture=ZALMAN%20TECH
Windows - $65 - http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/productID.216644200/flyout.true

There's about $70 after the MIR is back left over for the PSU (50 if you don't wait)
~400-550W should be enough even with some OC'ing (I'm currently running i5-2500k+z68itx mobo+560Ti off 450W so wouldn't worry too much about power)

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=73053&vpn=OCZ52012U-B&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology&promoid=1364 <- can get this on surprise sales for <$10
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1265
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology&promoid=1265
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67324&vpn=HCG-520M&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1265


This is all assuming the PM for the computerpartsdrives.com worked... if it doesn't then it's 209 for the CPU which'll leave about $33 for a PSU... The 550Ti should play bf3 on medium iirc (had the 550Ti + Q6600 playing bf3 prior).
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My Specs btw.
Intel i3-2100 (3.1GHz)
4GB
GTX 550 Ti

playing on 1920x1080 resolution, Ultra settings, MSAA Off, AF 16x
Got like 30-45 fps but these fps drops is really annoying me >_<
from the BF3 forums not from me just a quick google. So it should be okay.

The Samsung RAM is apparently a good OC'er as found in these forums btw.

This is more of a CPU centric with future GFX upgrade options at least... In terms of CPU performance you should be set GPU performance could be better... A GPU centric is what I'm looking for now...


Okay so not so budget friendly but obviously I went for a different look....

Please use this thread as reference... http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1038396721 ... actually http://www.overclock.net/t/1240186/planning-watercooled-itx-any-smaller-parts-i7-3770k-hd7870 http://www.overclock.net/t/1304272/best-graphic-card-that-will-fit-in-a-sg05 or http://www.overclock.net/t/1258231/gigabyte-670-windforce-for-silverstone-sg05-case-and-gpu-voltage

CPU: i3-3225 - $140 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=75430&promoid=1265
RAM: Samsung 8GB (only kuz they are nice tongue.gif can replace for cheaper ones though) - $45 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
HDD: 1TB Seagate (or WD is the same price) - $70 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1265
Case/PSU: SG05 - $120 -http://ncix.com/products/?sku=71536
Motherboard - ASUS - $61.22 PM Hookbag - PM From http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76051&promoid=1360 - To this price - http://www.hookbag.ca/product/H3C0CMVYQ/
GFX - XFX 7870 - $215 After MIR ($235 before) - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69829&promoid=1265

Windows: Unfortunately you gotta ditch it ... meaning either legit or not so... IMO if you really need windows and have a SATA hdd from your old pc use that as a temp and buy windows... otherwise drop from the 7870 to the 6870 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&vpn=HD687AZHFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1265 and grab the $65 windows... which'll set you a bit over budget at ~$720.
Based on what I recall these should work ...


Another note... if you slash the PSU from somewhere, grab a 7850 for about $170 and dump the HDD for something cheaper/reusing... you can get the i5+7850 combo (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/me-ne-asus-directcu-ii-radeon-hd-7850-2gb-video-card-169-99-ar-pm-1232537/).... you might even get a PSU from someone here for cheap. That is also an option if you'd like used parts. For my first build I bought a new processor and board for 1/3rd of the price I'd get from retailers from the classifieds (pure luck) I knew I wouldn't expect warranty though (although it lasted for 3 years before I sold it).
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Thanks for the suggestion! I am having trouble finding a 6870 for that price though.....

Why didn't you buy it from Geeks? (Though it's $140 now, you may need to adjust some of the parts due to the deals changes)

 

The 965 will beat the 1045T as a result of a 3.4Ghz vs 2.7Ghz stock clock speed. However, both overclock to 4Ghz levels and the 1045T is E0 meaning better overclocking and flexibility (esp. with RAM).

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XD is a solid guy and he knows what hes talking about, however he only seems to favor recommending AMD so I would do your research before going with his build.

Tell me where you can find an Intel processor or CPU-board combo with the equivalent multi-tasking ability for $110 (Microcenter not counting).  You just can't. That's why my suggestion goes in that direction.

 

OP don't be mislead. A "weaker" (though this depends on your definition) AMD CPU with a more powerful graphics card will always triumph a "stronger" Intel CPU but with a weaker graphics card in balance and actual gaming performance. Also, consider your own multitasking needs as I have. No doubt: the i3 provides 2 strong cores which are strong when you need to only run one task at a time. But when you try to load these two limited cores with a game that loves to use four (i.e. BF3) AND FRAPS in the background, you may get worse FPS than you would otherwise than recording/playing with the 965 or the 1045T and the better multi-tasking ability.  The SSD in my suggestion also ensures total outperformance of the other options because an SSD attenuates the biggest bottleneck in modern computer systems.


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Why didn't you buy it from Geeks? (Though it's $140 now, you may need to adjust some of the parts due to the deals changes)

The 965 will beat the 1045T as a result of a 3.4Ghz vs 2.7Ghz stock clock speed. However, both overclock to 4Ghz levels and the 1045T is E0 meaning better overclocking and flexibility (esp. with RAM).
Tell me where you can find an Intel processor or CPU-board combo with the equivalent multi-tasking ability for $110 (Microcenter not counting).

You just can't. That's why my suggestion goes in that direction.

Don't be mislead. A "weaker" (though this depends on your definition) AMD CPU with a more powerful graphics card will always triumph a "stronger" Intel CPU but with a weaker graphics card in balance and actual gaming performance. Consider your multitasking needs. No doubt: the i3 provides 2 strong cores which are strong when you need to only run one task at a time. But when you try to load these two limited cores with a game that loves to use four (i.e. BF3) AND FRAPs in the background, you may get worse FPS than you would with the 965 or the 1045T with its more cores and better multi-threading ability.

Except the i3 has beat the hexa-core AMD cpu in alot of games, that plus I recommended a 7850 which is more powerful than the 6870 you recommended. So as you just admitted a somewhat weaker CPU and a better GPU will trump other systems with better CPU and weaker GPU. My first recommendation of a Ivy i3 with a 7850, smokes the crap out of a 1045t and a 6870. He already said priority is gaming and wants a better GPU. Here is proof.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/07/01/intel-core-i3-2100-review/5

Notice it takes a massive overclock to beat a i3 at multitasking. How is this possible when it has so many more cores? Not all thubans are guaranteed to clock that high mine never went past 3.8. Not to mention that is only the sandy version the Ivy is even faster. And if he needed the extra horsepower later he could upgrade to a 3570k wich would easily dominate anything AMD has.

Also here is the 7850 review wich the 6870 can come no where close to in performance.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/9.html

Sorry bro but AMD is dead in the enthusiast desktop CPU market, have been for awhile. When your six core CPU with a massive OC barely beats a i3 its time to bow out. (speaking about AMD not you.)
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For Cpu i would get something like a 4100 or 6100 overclock it and get at least a 7850 or higher and your good to go. My 4100 at stock plays battlefield 3 64 Man server Perfectly even on Big maps, you get the occasional stuttering but that's because of my underpowered gpu.
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An FX-41xx is a no-no with BF3+fraps, you're going to want more threads with those weaker cores. An FX-61xx is better, but at that point why not just get a Thuban?

You know, in this case maybe something like a Vishera/Piledriver FX-63xx would be a better choice...assuming TC can wait a month until their launch in late October.
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Here is a quick build, you should be able to get windows 7 for $80 somewhere or when it's on sale.
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CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MGC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.66 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($23.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Green 530W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.20 @ Amazon)
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256GB Crucial M4 Old Laptop CD/DVD drive Windows 7 picoPSU-150-XT 
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i5-2500k @ 4.8GHz stable ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen 3 MSI GTX 980 Ti 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1866Mhz Ripjaws X 
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256GB Crucial M4 1.5 TB HDD XSPC Raystorm RS360 Windows 7 Professional 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 28" 4K Corsair AX750 Corsair 800D SWTOR Razer Naga 
AudioOtherOtherOther
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium XSPC RS120 8 x GT AP-15s White Sleeved Cables for Corsair AX750 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3Ghz Asus P5G41T-M LX Plus EVGA GTX 680 2x4 GB 1333Mhz 
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500GB WD Black 64 GB Crucial M4 Sony CD/DVD burner H40 w/ GT AP-15s 
OSPowerCase
Windows 7 Home 64 bit Corsair CX430 APEVIA X-Plorer2 Pink 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium G620 Foxconn H67S ITX Intel HD 2000 2 x 4GB 1333Mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSPower
256GB Crucial M4 Old Laptop CD/DVD drive Windows 7 picoPSU-150-XT 
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But an i3 will likely choke with BF3+Fraps...
 
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Pentium G3258 @ 4.6GHz/1.281v (rock-solid stable) MSI Z97 PC Mate [media & productivity] Intel HD graphics [games] Diamond Radeon HD5870 1GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
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Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Pentium G3258 @ 4.6GHz/1.281v (rock-solid stable) MSI Z97 PC Mate [media & productivity] Intel HD graphics [games] Diamond Radeon HD5870 1GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
CaseOtherOther
Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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