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Why do people compare console GPUs to DX11? DX11 only works on Windows does it not? So surely you should be comparing it to OpenGL?
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Why do people compare console GPUs to DX11? DX11 only works on Windows does it not? So surely you should be comparing it to OpenGL?

The main point is that next gen consoles will be using more up to date features that are also common in DX11, such as tessellation and what not. So there will be a trickle down effect for all games.

So this means that multiplatform games will on average be more apt for the PC....
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Why do people compare console GPUs to DX11? DX11 only works on Windows does it not? So surely you should be comparing it to OpenGL?

This has being cover a couple of times already in this thread but let me do it one more time.

Sony uses a variant of OpenGL
Microsoft uses directX on the Xbox (that's where the name comes form directXBox)
Nintendo uses a proprietary API that is (supposedly) very similar to OpenGL

In this context when people talk about consoles having a "DX11" GPU they mean the GPU has the required hardware like a tessellation unit (Geometry shaders), the latest generation of Pixel/Vertex shaders that have been combined into unified shaders to do what can be done in DX11/OpenGL4.3.

Saying DX11 GPU is just easier instead of Doing the whole rambling I just did and most people get what you mean.
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Next generation console : xbox720, ps4 , wii U all will use amd graphic..
Im pretty sure that next generation games will be more optimized to amd card.
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People often overestimate the amount of advantage the consoles have when it comes to running good visuals on low end hardware. Just because you can optimize better and code for a single set of hardware doesn't magically turn a Nvidia 7800 (7900?) series card into a GTX580.
It's easy to think that PCs really need tons and tons more power to run games but that's mostly due to us running our games at higher resolutions and at better settings. Take battlefield 3 for example, sure running it at 1080p with maxed settings and 60fps needs a lot of brute force from your gfx hardware but if you turn the resolution down to sub 720p levels, have the game run at a max of 30fps, sometimes lower, and turn the settings down to medium-low, you'll suddenly be able to easily play the game with a 8800gt or maybe even cards with 7800 series performance. It really doesn't take a lot to match what a console can do.
Needing less memory is the biggest advantage for consoles. Being a console doesn't suddenly make your GPU ten times better.


I don't recall a 8800GT having 256Vram....

Consoles jump through a lot of limitations and tricks to get wheat they can get now (excluding the POS wiki)

Just look at halo 4. Improved the graphics in every aspect and upped the resolution compared to all the previous halos.
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Awesome how great consolegames can look with such old and relatively bad hardware. Imagine what would happen if Nvidia en AD would stop releasing new cards for 4 years and all games would be optimised for lets say a HD7850 or GTX660. I think we would all be blown away.
 
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I don't recall a 8800GT having 256Vram....
Consoles jump through a lot of limitations and tricks to get wheat they can get now (excluding the POS wiki)
Just look at halo 4. Improved the graphics in every aspect and upped the resolution compared to all the previous halos.

The 8800 line of cards came with a range of different memory sizes. The 8800 GTX/ultra came with 768MB. The 8800 GTS came in 320Mb and 640MB variants (512MB on the later die shrink) while the GT had the 256MB and 512MB variants.
Compare that to the unified 512 MB of GDDR3 that the Xbox 360 has and the difference is not all that great. Granted PC has the advantage of having additional system ram but even so I think its pretty fair to compare the GT 256MB or even the very popular GTS 320MB to the Xbox 360 as both thous card are where relatively affordable mid-range cards (form the same time period) much like the GTX560 and its Ti variant are now.
    
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PCs and consoles need to coexist. as an ex-console gamer I know how absolutely TERRIBLE the online community is there, that is the reason, more than graphics or power, that keeps me on pc. Unless you want every server you log on, to seem like a daycare center full of bratty/whiny little 3 year-olds, then we should be happy the new consoles are coming out. I still like playing my PS3 but i want to put a bullet through my head when I get screamed and cursed at by a 4th grader. The pc community is the most mature and easy going gaming community i have ever been a part of and i would hate to see it destroyed b/c there are no more consoles.thumb.gif

As far as hardware goes, i think it's great that consoles are getting a badly needed upgrade. they aren't getting anything that will put a scare in the PC market, but that is not a strike against consoles ether. they are about casual, no maintenance gaming from a couch.
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PCs and consoles need to coexist. as an ex-console gamer I know how absolutely TERRIBLE the online community is there, that is the reason, more than graphics or power, that keeps me on pc. Unless you want every server you log on, to seem like a daycare center full of bratty/whiny little 3 year-olds, then we should be happy the new consoles are coming out. I still like playing my PS3 but i want to put a bullet through my head when I get screamed and cursed at by a 4th grader. The pc community is the most mature and easy going gaming community i have ever been a part of and i would hate to see it destroyed b/c there are no more consoles.thumb.gif
As far as hardware goes, i think it's great that consoles are getting a badly needed upgrade. they aren't getting anything that will put a scare in the PC market, but that is not a strike against consoles ether. they are about casual, no maintenance gaming from a couch.

Haha If something goes wrong they send It back or have a tinker with the console and break It, If something goes wrong with our Systems we fix It or throw out that component and put in a new one biggrin.gif
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Awesome how great consolegames can look with such old and relatively bad hardware. Imagine what would happen if Nvidia en AD would stop releasing new cards for 4 years and all games would be optimised for lets say a HD7850 or GTX660. I think we would all be blown away.

That's true, but full optimization will never happen with the wide range of computer components, But if they release a next gen system with a AMD 4850 or a Nvidia 260 with a Intel I5 2500k or a Core 2 Quad, Games will be mind blowing, because technology has advanced so much since the 360 and PS3 release they have a lot of choices of what hardware to put into a system.
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