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Fanboys will do what they want, but they can expect to hear about it from me, it brings down the quality of this entire forum, it's highly unprofessional.
Also, Apple didn't miss any forecast, you can bet that they sold exactly what they expected, which was every device they made available for sale this weekend. It's not Apple's fault if some random people out there had forecasted otherwise. So, unless Apple has trouble selling the iPhone 5s that they do make available over the coming weeks, then I wouldn't say they had any issues with this launch.
It's possible that Apple is lying as well, but I know right now my company is waiting for 30-40 more iPhones that we had pre-ordered, I'm not sure why Apple would make us wait if they had supply, especially since we develop some their most profitable iOS apps.

Just the same as in the Keynote they were saying they control 62% of the tablet market, but forgot to say a year ago it was 90%+ that they control.

Its all damage control bro.
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Fanboys will do what they want, but they can expect to hear about it from me, it brings down the quality of this entire forum, it's highly unprofessional.
Also, Apple didn't miss any forecast, you can bet that they sold exactly what they expected, which was every device they made available for sale this weekend. It's not Apple's fault if some random people out there had forecasted otherwise. So, unless Apple has trouble selling the iPhone 5s that they do make available over the coming weeks, then I wouldn't say they had any issues with this launch.
It's possible that Apple is lying as well, but I know right now my company is waiting for 30-40 more iPhones that we had pre-ordered, I'm not sure why Apple would make us wait if they had supply, especially since we develop some their most profitable iOS apps.

Just the same as in the Keynote they were saying they control 62% of the tablet market, but forgot to say a year ago it was 90%+ that they control.

Its all damage control bro.

As I said, it's a possibility. Losing marketshare is inevitable when a market is new. That doesn't mean they're losing consumers. Maybe they controlled 90% of a smaller market (say, 20 million), but now control 60% of a much larger market (maybe, 100 million). That's not a bad thing. Just like their marketshare in smartphones has fallen in the last few years but they continue selling more iPhones with each model than the previous.
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As I said, it's a possibility. Losing marketshare is inevitable when a market is new. That doesn't mean they're losing consumers. Maybe they controlled 90% of a smaller market (say, 20 million), but now control 60% of a much larger market (maybe, 100 million). That's not a bad thing. Just like their marketshare in smartphones has fallen in the last few years but they continue selling more iPhones with each model than the previous.

That is not the case.

Last year they controlled 90% world wide.

This year it is 62%.

They are losing customers. It cant be twisted to prove anything else.
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As I said, it's a possibility. Losing marketshare is inevitable when a market is new. That doesn't mean they're losing consumers. Maybe they controlled 90% of a smaller market (say, 20 million), but now control 60% of a much larger market (maybe, 100 million). That's not a bad thing. Just like their marketshare in smartphones has fallen in the last few years but they continue selling more iPhones with each model than the previous.

That is not the case.

Last year they controlled 90% world wide.

This year it is 62%.

They are losing customers. It cant be twisted to prove anything else.

Unless you have numbers showing total number of tablet users last year versus this year, then your argument holds no weight, I already did the math to show that total users makes a difference.
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Unless you have numbers showing total number of tablet users last year versus this year, then your argument holds no weight, I already did the math to show that total users makes a difference.

Ok, Its not like I expected you to not be bias towards a company that feeds you. rolleyes.gif

Moving on.
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Ok, Its not like I expected you to not be bias towards a company that feeds you. rolleyes.gif
Moving on.

If you are talking about the Macs he has, I think he just has them for coding..
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Are you lot Apple shareholders or something? Why such an interest and debate about such things, most that buy these handsets are teenagers that need the latest thing to be cool and hip, same with most things apple to be honest. The majority couldn't care less about fiscal years and product volume shipping, and neither should most of you. Why does everyone on this forum try to come across as a financial market analyst or some kind of absolute guru in everything? Get over yourselfs seriously rolleyes.gif and get back to google searching from your moms basement.
 
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Are you lot Apple shareholders or something? Why such an interest and debate about such things, most that buy these handsets are teenagers that need the latest thing to be cool and hip, same with most things apple to be honest. The majority couldn't care less about fiscal years and product volume shipping, and neither should most of you. Why does everyone on this forum try to come across as a financial market analyst or some kind of absolute guru in everything? Get over yourselfs seriously rolleyes.gif and get back to google searching from your moms basement.

As a mobile game developer I have a vested interest in how the mobile market progresses and evolves. smile.gif

As to whether Apple does better, or Android does better, or who makes the "cooler" phone, I could really care less.
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Unless you have numbers showing total number of tablet users last year versus this year, then your argument holds no weight, I already did the math to show that total users makes a difference.

Ok, Its not like I expected you to not be bias towards a company that feeds you. rolleyes.gif

Moving on.

Which company would that be? I develop for both iOS and Android. The Mac I have at home is tax-deductible and used for work, and the one I have at work is for...well....work. I prefer PC, and that's what I use for any non-work related stuff. Besides, I'm not even defending Apple, I'm merely pointing out that your argument is incomplete without some numbers to back it up.

Here, let me do the work for you:

First, here's some total user numbers, that I was asking for (bear in mind this is just US):


Here's marketshare percentages that you were talking about:


And between the two we can now figure out total sales (approximately):
iPad sales
2010: 75% of 13 million is 9.75 million units
2011: 60% of 33.7 million is 20.22 million units
2012 (partially forecast): 55% of 54.8 million is 30.14

A little fact checking reveals a few things:
  1. Apple never had 90% tablet marketshare, as you claim.
  2. Apple are not losing customers as you claim, in fact they are gaining them.
  3. Damage control may still be a possibility, although is appears that Android's gain in marketshare may be slowing, according to analyst predictions, so Apple may not be as worried as you think they are.

Here's another source (wikipedia):

Edited by lordikon - 9/24/12 at 12:33pm
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That is not the case.
Last year they controlled 90% world wide.
This year it is 62%.
They are losing customers. It cant be twisted to prove anything else.


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I'm not sure Lordikon could've possibly made it any simpler for you, but revenue can increase while marketshare decreases, and vice versa.

It's a very simple concept tbqh.
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  1. Apple never had 90% tablet marketshare, as you claim.

I stand corrected.

Moving on.
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