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The whole software / development part of it isn't the problem. They just dont have the resources or the data the google have. If we look at streetview, google spent years getting all those photos done and developming their system.

What did apple do for their map data? Chopped crappy bits of data together...

Look at the Sydney harbour bridge. They only had the top view, if you change the angle, they used the top view and chopped it together to create the "side view" you can see the traffic and road on the side of the bridge...

Apple should not have released this as it clearly is only a concept / development system at this stage, but a great one...
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You are correct C3 Technologies is doing just that for Apple. The way they are doing it is through a photogrammetric method. Over lapping images taken from 2 or more vantage points can generate a 3D surface. Problem is to get a good model you need high resolution imagery with sufficient over lap. This is both very expensive and time consuming. Not mention flying in urban areas is tricky to impossible to prevent buildings covering one another. I don't think C3 does the image collection themselves so you are looking at another party to collect the data once again.

Funnily enough Microsoft has both Google and Apple beat when it comes to this type of information as they work with the largest provider in the US for these types of imagery. (Pictometry is the company) Apple made a play to buy the company but I doubt they would ever sell out and I think their license agreement prevents them from leasing that information as well. Yet another reason you don't see that quality of data on Google products either. I love this kind of stuff. I've been in GIS/RS/Photogrammetry world for the past 8 years or so and as you can see I could go on and on about it. biggrin.gif
Fascinating stuff... I do expect it will take a while to map the entire world with this stuff but it looks great.

Ah really? I see. Yeah they've bought a few mapping companies now... I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a few more in the near future.
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The whole software / development part of it isn't the problem. They just dont have the resources or the data the google have. If we look at streetview, google spent years getting all those photos done and developming their system.

What did apple do for their map data? Chopped crappy bits of data together...

Look at the Sydney harbour bridge. They only had the top view, if you change the angle, they used the top view and chopped it together to create the "side view" you can see the traffic and road on the side of the bridge...

Apple should not have released this as it clearly is only a concept / development system at this stage, but a great one...
Are you sure about that? I looked it up and I can't see it.
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From what I've read... don't remember website:
Google makes lots of money with targeted ads - when you search for a location in Google Maps, you also receive offers for whatever might interest you. Ex., you search for gas stations and receive a few ads for cheap gas, free coke... whatever crap.
Most mobile Google Maps users are iPhone users - say, 2/3 or such! No idea why... well, I have some idea why iSheeps need to check where they are smile.gif
So, Apple thought it'll steal some of those targeted ads revenues.
Google launched a Google Maps App for iOS 6 already.

They have not and have no plans to launch an iOS 6 map app according to the CEO of Google.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/tech/mobile/google-schmidt-maps/index.html
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From what I've read... don't remember website:
Google makes lots of money with targeted ads - when you search for a location in Google Maps, you also receive offers for whatever might interest you. Ex., you search for gas stations and receive a few ads for cheap gas, free coke... whatever crap.
Most mobile Google Maps users are iPhone users - say, 2/3 or such! No idea why... well, I have some idea why iSheeps need to check where they are smile.gif
So, Apple thought it'll steal some of those targeted ads revenues.
Google launched a Google Maps App for iOS 6 already.

They have not and have no plans to launch an iOS 6 map app according to the CEO of Google.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/tech/mobile/google-schmidt-maps/index.html
There's a few different articles saying that it is waiting to be approved, that it isn't finished yet but will be hopefully in a few months, etc., I don't think it's clear right now what's happening.
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The whole software / development part of it isn't the problem. They just dont have the resources or the data the google have. If we look at streetview, google spent years getting all those photos done and developming their system.

What did apple do for their map data? Chopped crappy bits of data together...

Look at the Sydney harbour bridge. They only had the top view, if you change the angle, they used the top view and chopped it together to create the "side view" you can see the traffic and road on the side of the bridge...

Apple should not have released this as it clearly is only a concept / development system at this stage, but a great one...Are you sure about that? I looked it up and I can't see it.

Damn, Sure. saw it with my own two eyes on an Ipad3. Look closely, there are traffic lanes and cars on the top part of the arch. I see the bridge everyday, I cant see traffic lanes on the top of the arch...
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Damn, Sure. saw it with my own two eyes on an Ipad3. Look closely, there are traffic lanes and cars on the top part of the arch. I see the bridge everyday, I cant see traffic lanes on the top of the arch...
Yeah? I'm having a look at it but I can't see it at all.

I took three screenshots of it:

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/1089/img0013yy.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img411/1894/img0012k.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/6419/img0011oa.png
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I'm sure a memo is soon to go out at Google:
"If Apple offers you anything, we'll double it. And give you your own office with a ball pit

Fixed.

A ball pit would keep me at any place forever.
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I'd pit Google above Valve.

The girl at 2:!5 makes it worthwhile, imho.
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Damn, Sure. saw it with my own two eyes on an Ipad3. Look closely, there are traffic lanes and cars on the top part of the arch. I see the bridge everyday, I cant see traffic lanes on the top of the arch...

That would be the result of having a good resolution surface model with imagery draped over the top. It is actually pretty common in any 3D map. Unless a model has been generated by someone that is what it will look like. Google has a model of the bridge that was made with more data from the surface model and additional imagery taken from different vantage points. Zoom into any coastal area and look for a bridge it will appear one of two ways either sitting on a mound of water or it will be level with the surface of the water. Usually the latter.




Sometimes you will get a model and the imagery isn't scrubbed to match it so you get strange things like this.



This type of mapping is difficult to do and no one is really all that close to having what is considered a good 3D map. There will be mistakes with any map no matter who makes it. I'm not defending Apple but I do want to point out that some mistakes in their maps are really not that big of a deal. There are still some issues with other parts that really need to be sorted out.

I am glad that Apple has taken on this venture because it means more of the world will be mapped in higher resolution. This makes all kinds of things possible from urban corridor mapping, wind mapping, flood potentials, risk analysis, business analysis, etc... The only thing we are waiting on is whether Apple will make any information they lease/purchase available like Google and Microsoft do.
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Damn, Sure. saw it with my own two eyes on an Ipad3. Look closely, there are traffic lanes and cars on the top part of the arch. I see the bridge everyday, I cant see traffic lanes on the top of the arch...Yeah? I'm having a look at it but I can't see it at all.

I took three screenshots of it:

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/1089/img0013yy.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img411/1894/img0012k.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/6419/img0011oa.png

First image has it.

There are no traffic lanes up there!
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