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No I'm around quite a bit. Although the forums are split up into so many sub-forums, I don't check any one forum. I tend to find my way around by either posting my own threads, or the search engine. So if someone posted something like "My delid is un working" (because delid + 3570k + ruin/broke/fail doesnt yield any results) i wouldn't have seen it.

I mean I've searched and looked around the ivy threads and haven't seen anyone say they failed a delid. I think I saw yours somewhere but didn't exactly recall. Do you have a thread about it?

Running in single channel mode... could be a mobo issue, I have a perfectly fine, working mobo, and for some reason 2 of the dimm slots (or maybe just 1, i mean im running dual channel) had an issue where if I was in the first 2, closest slots, I'd fail p95 every time at 6-8 hours no matter my volts or clock. But with the ram in the further 2 slots, i was getting 30+ hours just fine on 3.8+ ghz (which basically means this phenom ii x4 is one of the best for a c2 revision, even with it's 6 missing pins that i replaced with wire in the socket):

http://www.overclock.net/t/1324029/fixing-broken-pins-phenom-955/0_100

oddly enough those same ram slots ran 30+ hours p95 just fine when overclocked/volted on my previous cpu, yet on stock everything but a different cpu, i had the stability issues. even passed 12+ hours of memtest 86+ and all sorts of stuff, even each stick of ram on each dimm slot.

I dont really consider what happened to you a real failure -_-

Could just be the mobo or ram issue, could be some totally nonsensical thing like happened to me, and even then, having to run just single channel isnt that big a deal. i mean yea i guess that kinda sucks but really not that bad.
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god this thread moves too fast i gotta go.
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I have said it before I believe it is easy I have big hands and have already done 4 3770k delids to date and everyone of them was flawless besides the fact of the first one didn't use liquid ultra, which is a huge mistake. Anyway the only trick is going very slow, and making sure the blade is level with pcb or slight pointed away. Also you should always test the chip first to see where you can get it without delid take a screen shot and than if your still going to delid, heat it up using IBT for as long as you can wait lol. than take it out and delid it will be way easier because the glue is softer. and before you delid order liquid pro, or ulra.

uhhh you wouldnt care to elaborate a little bit, would you?

I mean everything you say is basically totally opposite if what I intend to do - using pk3 (and only getting clu if that isn't enough on an nh-d14 and 7 fans), delidding before ever even using the cpu. I think you could have some useful knowledge if you'd care to impart some of it, having delidded so many cpus.

I mean I'm buying the chip new, so i'll have the stock cooler. I could run ibt on stock cooling to warm it up if you really think it's a big deal.
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trust me you want to heat it up first it will make the process ten times easier. Honestly though this is what I would do first. Wait for the cooler you gonna use with the delided overclock. Than tweak it fast and test a overclock on it to see what your temps are like I would say start at 4.2ghz and work your way up and see what it does. You want before and after pictures so you can show people what your results were its beneficial to everyone here. You can use other thermal pastes but the absolute recommended paste is Liquid Pro most achieve the best results with that. Than after you delided and applied the TIM of your choice test the exact same overclock again and take a snap shot of those temps and results. But do as you please but also think about this what if the chip is DOA you delid and think you screwed it up and would never know.
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Okay well, the nh-d14 is a bit of a monster to install and I've been reseating heatsinks a ton of times the last few weeks doing some thermal paste and heatsink tests. One more reseat isn't a big deal but you know, I'd rather not. I'd rather just delid the cpu and get going. I already have the nh-d14, by the way.

How about I just use the stock cooler, run a mild overclock on it, just so I can do a before and after comparison as well as heat up the chip.

I have no doubt that clu would be the best paste to use, but I question if it's worth the $25 price premium when I already have PK-3. Even with it used on delid and on hsf, I don't think it'd be responsible for more than... I don't know, 3-10*C (granted, that is still a lot). I'll just use PK-3 for the time being, and if I need more performance, I'll look into buying CLU before I look into getting a third fan for my nh-d14 (i'd probably go with a 140mm noctua fan, unless it cant fit in which case id get a 120mm).

I suppose your right about DOA, so I should test the chip before delidding. I didn't know that heating up the chip makes it easier to cut through - could you elaborate a bit on what you do? Do you specifically run p95 for 30 minutes and then unmount and start cutting right away or something?
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Okay well, the nh-d14 is a bit of a monster to install and I've been reseating heatsinks a ton of times the last few weeks doing some thermal paste and heatsink tests. One more reseat isn't a big deal but you know, I'd rather not. I'd rather just delid the cpu and get going. I already have the nh-d14, by the way.
How about I just use the stock cooler, run a mild overclock on it, just so I can do a before and after comparison as well as heat up the chip.
I have no doubt that clu would be the best paste to use, but I question if it's worth the $25 price premium when I already have PK-3. Even with it used on delid and on hsf, I don't think it'd be responsible for more than... I don't know, 3-10*C (granted, that is still a lot). I'll just use PK-3 for the time being, and if I need more performance, I'll look into buying CLU before I look into getting a third fan for my nh-d14 (i'd probably go with a 140mm noctua fan, unless it cant fit in which case id get a 120mm).
I suppose your right about DOA, so I should test the chip before delidding. I didn't know that heating up the chip makes it easier to cut through - could you elaborate a bit on what you do? Do you specifically run p95 for 30 minutes and then unmount and start cutting right away or something?

i would test the new chip with the D14 right away,
see if you can oc it to at least 4.5ghz, look what vcore you need to run it stable,
then decide if the chip is worth delidding or not smile.gif

if yes, you prolly have more then enough cooling with your D14,
and really, you want coollaboratory liquid pro/ultra on the die,
why not go for optimal performance, tempwise..
heat is a bigger enemy for degradation, then running a higher vcore(within limits of course..lol)
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Don't all IB's kinda appreciate delidding?

I plan to really push the chip to it's limits for a 24/7 overclock. As I understand it, intel really appreciates volts (all chips appreciate cold more, but even my phenom responds well to increased voltage) and given a 24/7 recommended limit around 1.4-1.45 for ib, I'm okay with 1.4-1.5v for any gain. The way I look at it, I might as well just delid right away. I'd like to push further than 4.5. I also understand heat is a limiting factor.

It appears to me, that IB overclocks better than SB (and that's not talking about the per clock improvement of ib vs sb), as long as you delid it so it runs cool enough. I'd like to take advantage of that, because otherwise I'd just get SB instead of IB and save money.

You sure heat is a bigger enemy to degradation than voltage? I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, as I've always heard it, it's voltage that's much worse than heat...

I am aware that CL is great stuff, but hopefully pk3+delid will be enough to reduce temps. I'm trying to keep things budget, after all (im basically using the identical components listed in my sig rig, for this i5 build, except nh-d14 se2011 that I got for $43 on ebay). If I need more than just delid+nh-d14, I'll consider lapping, a third fan, and CL.
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Is it dead ?
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Is it dead ?

I guarantee that chip is dead it looks 10x worse than the one I damaged.
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I lost one 3770K doing it, as someone posted in early days of this thread experienced too, i tested it and computer got lost into cycles of boot/shut and i may be lucky to have not damaged anything other than the chip.

Using the razor blade with two cuting sides and a hole in the middle might be the better compromise for deliding as you want the tickest blade but no bending.

The way i delided when very smooth until so parts where the ihs was just sealed tight. Considering my tight blade totaly flat i went for it and ended scratching even less badly than OP.

Don't use a teared apart common shaving razor's bladen they bend.
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From my experience of killing sucessfuly a 250$ chip i would recommand:

Using this kind of blade, browsing succes thread as shown these were used in most cases.
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Approach the CPU by the corners, they should be easy, dont force the edges too much as you slide the blade in.
Leave the parts out of the square shape for then end, if possible avoid doing them by twisting the ihs from the pcb.

Dont force, be ready to loose the cpu, consider quiting more than forcing it, pray your gods.smile.gif
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if your rich and can buy more ivy bridges, delid
if you are poor and would be super sad if it died, then just sand it....

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