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No do not say use a jewels hammer

I made the club for a reason for people so they don't do things like that. You only use your hands for this for one reason. you can feel every catch and that way you can even feel the Traces in the PCB I felt every single one I made it over.

You have to be super careful with this which is why you only use your hands. Take a look at my OP in the Delidded Crew All the reasons are there.

Not trying to be a meanie but The information for this has to be right and it can't be wrong because wrong information can cause dead chips so you have to be careful in what you spread in the means of doing the delid.

Truly,
Valgaur

No, most definitely use a jewelers hammer. It is the easiest way to start the cuts on the four corners for starting points.

The adhesive breaks easily with small taps to the razor, not steady force, and you don't risk nicking the PCB or bending the chip since you are moving the blade fractions of a mm at a time. Once the blade catches rock it back and forth until you are through the corner, and once all four corners are broken free then you use a rocking motion to cut through the sides.

It is the easiest and safest way, trust me. I wish I made a video when I did mine, but I didn't even think it was that big of a deal. Only took a couple minutes to delid, reapply AS Ceramique to die and IHS, then reseat block.

This is the type of hammer I am talking about, next to my G9x for size comparison.


This is my 3770k after delidding, not a SINGLE nick or damage anywhere - in fact, the black adhesive is still making a full outline around the die, and hasn't went down to the PCB anywhere. Small flecks of white are stray TIM, since thats after testing my mount for proper contact after removing the adhesive from the IHS to bring it closer to the die.


Some quick Google-fu shows that I'm not the only one who uses this technique with success...although this guy uses a MUCH bigger hammer, and you have more control with a tiny jewelers one:
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^ that might look like a bad idea but really it is just a tack hammer and I was doing very very light taps with it, far gentler and more controlled than I was able to press on the razor blade with my hands. Maybe I'm just clumsy with my hands, in any event the hammer did the job and got the blade through all that adhesive all the way around the IHS without destroying the CPU.
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its not that you cant use a hammer Puck,
its one of the things we dont advice people doing it that way,
youre right about the control of force etc, no problem there,
its upto anyone going to delid what is most suitable for them to use of course,
i tried several pentiums using that method, i even talked about it in the delid thread,
but it got rejected as being to dangerous, because some people see this, and start banging away,
fail, and return to our thread, and say it was a bad idea see smile.gif

Hammertime! biggrin.gif
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for best results, its a 2 man job, one holding the cpu and blade, one tacking the hammer,
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It is the easiest and safest way, trust me. I wish I made a video when I did mine, but I didn't even think it was that big of a deal. Only took a couple minutes to delid, reapply AS Ceramique to die and IHS, then reseat block.

how much did your temps drop using AS Ceramique ?
you should use coollaboratory liquid pro or ultra on the die, you get the best results that way.
on the IHS your AS Ceramique will be good enough to use smile.gif
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how much did your temps drop using AS Ceramique ?
you should use coollaboratory liquid pro or ultra on the die, you get the best results that way.
on the IHS your AS Ceramique will be good enough to use smile.gif

I don't have a baseline temp to compare to...I installed the system, booted everything at stock settings to transfer files and setup windows, then took it all apart to delid biggrin.gif.

I am TEC cooled, so I like the proven low temp ability of the Ceramique. On plain air or water, Liquid Pro is definitely the way to go! I can't use it on my IHS anyway though, since my cold plate is aluminum and LP is corrosive to aluminum.
Edited by Puck - 1/21/13 at 9:29am
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I thought things were going smooth but there are three nicks on the PCB of the CPU. Hoping it's not dead redface.gif My Coolaboratory paste should be here tomorrow so I guess I will find out, but for now what do you guys think? Sorry for low quality pic.


Send it to me if you're so afraid of putting it in your mobo. I have an indispensable mobo that i can test that with.
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I don't have a baseline temp to compare to...I installed the system, booted everything at stock settings to transfer files and setup windows, then took it all apart to delid biggrin.gif.

I am TEC cooled, so I like the proven low temp ability of the Ceramique. On plain air or water, Liquid Pro is definitely the way to go! I can't use it on my IHS anyway though, since my cold plate is aluminum and LP is corrosive to aluminum.

i understand ..lol

and the TEC cooler, how much does it drop your temps, below zero?
any pictures of how it looks?
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Send it to me if you're so afraid of putting it in your mobo. I have an indispensable mobo that i can test that with.

hes got it up and running, not sure if it still is tho ..lol smile.gif
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http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2528613

It's up and running biggrin.gif

Edited by VonDutch - 1/21/13 at 9:39am
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how much did your temps drop using AS Ceramique ?
you should use coollaboratory liquid pro or ultra on the die, you get the best results that way.
on the IHS your AS Ceramique will be good enough to use smile.gif

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I don't have a baseline temp to compare to...I installed the system, booted everything at stock settings to transfer files and setup windows, then took it all apart to delid biggrin.gif.

I am TEC cooled, so I like the proven low temp ability of the Ceramique. On plain air or water, Liquid Pro is definitely the way to go! I can't use it on my IHS anyway though, since my cold plate is aluminum and LP is corrosive to aluminum.

Already beat me to it lol.

But Yeah I understand the ability with the hammer but when people see that they go I can do it with a regular hammer then all heck breaks loose but Von Already explained for me thumb.gif

Darn was hoping you could use CLP or U but have you considered Indigo Xtreme for the IHS?
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if you really would take the risk to delid an ivy... be careful.
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if you really would take the risk to delid an ivy... be careful.

The rewards are soooo worth it. dropped temps by 25C right off the bat and with my H100 alone I could bench 5.5 Ghz on a cold nigh and temps were under 90C biggrin.gif

But we are crazy folks rolleyes.gif
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i understand ..lol

and the TEC cooler, how much does it drop your temps, below zero?
any pictures of how it looks?

I can get my idle to zero, but its only the single TEC so won't go anywhere near zero at load. TECs do not scale well with heat load, so I have no problem idling at 0c, but full load is 43c. If I hook it up direct it will drop a few C off that, since the TEC duty cycle is not maxed out yet.

Currently I run it with the controller, but I yanked the temp probe so I have "semi manual" control...I can't directly control the duty cycle of the TEC, but I can set the block temp as low as 1c(since it thinks ambient is 0c with a disconnected temp probe), which it can hold at 4.5ghz 1.3v @ 67% duty cycle. Then if I'm not benching I can set it to 10c and lower my rad fans while still beating water cooling, while not using as much power as a straight TEC setup.

Still haven't had a chance to push the processor since I just got it, so don't know temps above 4.5ghz/1.3v yet.
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