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I don't mean to be a jerk, but everybody's response makes it painfully obvious no one has ever dealt with disaster recovery scenarios before. The real benefit of this technology is it's resistance to water and fire damage. If the data density can be increased to ^2 of what it is currently possible with it, it will replace current physical on site backup media. Flood/water damage and fire are the two largest causes of data loss. Not to mention the unreliability of offsite Web based solutions during a disaster. This has been proven time and time again with the Indonesian tsunami in 2004 and hurricane Katrina in the US in 2005.

A company that loses access to it's business critical data for 48 hours has a 50% of going under in the next two years. As for cost, it will come down as manufacturing of the technology becomes more efficient and str.eamlined ust like every practical technology.
Screw saving information for future generations, this technology will be perfect to further mitigate the risk of data loss.
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Theyd be cool as a flash drive. Take it out of your pocket an plug it into a socket of some sort. Like a fission rod! tongue.gif
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Teletubies?...OK...But it is not what I would have chosen to show we are a intelligent race.
I'd want to give them realistic expectations, so the retardedness that is teletubies would fit the bill quite nicely, demonstrating the dumbing down of society.
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Quartz itself is abundant and not terribly expensive. The expensive part is getting large amounts of data into it itself. It will probably be like SSD's at first. Cost prohibitive when released, and then a slow decrease in price.
So is silicon but CPUs still cost a few hundred dollars..... the expensive part is purifying and the specialized process to create the disks.

Since this is such a specialized production, it will remain cost prohibitive. SSDs cost went down because there is a demand for higher performing storage AND NAND is an established technology AND NAND is in demand for other products.
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So is silicon but CPUs still cost a few hundred dollars..... the expensive part is purifying and the specialized process to create the disks.
Since this is such a specialized production, it will remain cost prohibitive. SSDs cost went down because there is a demand for higher performing storage AND NAND is an established technology AND NAND is in demand for other products.

Government, Military, and disaster control companies can create a demand for such products. Many very practical uses for data storage like this. I don't ever see this comming to consumers though.
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Government, Military, and disaster control companies can create a demand for such products. Many very practical uses for data storage like this. I don't ever see this comming to consumers though.

I would still say it is limited use.... since most organizations rely on geographically seperated datacenters for backups. In addition, most data does not have the requirement of being able to readable after more than a few decades.

I do agree those types of organizations might use this product but it still is niche.
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I don't understand the point? We don't need data that last for ages.

I imagine one of the ideal implications for this technology would be it's use in the space program.
Imagine how much more durable and reliable sending unmanned (or even manned) technologies into space which require data storage could be.
This technology has some very interesting potential.
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I imagine one of the ideal implications for this technology would be it's use in the space program.
Imagine how much more durable and reliable sending unmanned (or even manned) technologies into space which require data storage could be.
This technology has some very interesting potential.

The thing is the space program only uses certified hardware early on in the project. If this was ever to be used in space, it would be 20-30 years from now at least.



Besides.... is this read-only storage?
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post #29 of 39
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I don't mean to be a jerk, but everybody's response makes it painfully obvious no one has ever dealt with disaster recovery scenarios before. The real benefit of this technology is it's resistance to water and fire damage. If the data density can be increased to ^2 of what it is currently possible with it, it will replace current physical on site backup media. Flood/water damage and fire are the two largest causes of data loss. Not to mention the unreliability of offsite Web based solutions during a disaster. This has been proven time and time again with the Indonesian tsunami in 2004 and hurricane Katrina in the US in 2005.
A company that loses access to it's business critical data for 48 hours has a 50% of going under in the next two years. As for cost, it will come down as manufacturing of the technology becomes more efficient and str.eamlined ust like every practical technology.
Screw saving information for future generations, this technology will be perfect to further mitigate the risk of data loss.

That isn't true... The reason these will not be used for everyday computing is because of the process of putting the information on the chips themselves. You don't see overclockers changing the architecture on a silicon chip just for that extra gh. Trust me, with what we see on this site, if it were possible, people would be doing it. The silicon chips in our computers don't cost much... but putting the micro-architecture on them is extremely tough.
If this thing can handle 1000C for a couple of hours, how do you think a common, everyday computer is going to be putting the holes on the inside of the chip?

Now, I understand if google (or any other companies) wanted to back up code for their servers on something like this, but that isn't MASS information. They wouldn't save everyday information on them... Well, knowing google, they might, but just because they would own the tech. to do so.
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Besides.... is this read-only storage?

I am pretty sure, at least at the moment, it is read-only.
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I wonder how long brefore businesses can start archiving Backups onto this.

Not even sure how you do it, but Im assuming you will have something Akin to a Nintendo with a Gladd Cartridge lol, wonder what sort of speeds you get.

And dude, why would we send Teletubbies music to space, thats where the gawd aweful crud came from...
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