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Anyone read that as Multiple-core processors? I was thinking say whaaaaa!?
My 2600K has done really well, battered it 24/7 for 18 months and no issues so far smile.gif

This. I was expecting some superpowered single core processors. lol
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post #42 of 66
i think it would be awesome if intel sticks with 2 core/ 4 thread cpu's but with beast IPC. gamers would be so happy biggrin.gif
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Like many others, I panicked when I read the title
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post #44 of 66
Misleading title... but makes me feel like my i7-950 is a grandfather these days, though it's still damn fast at 4.2GHz... If doing so, reasons to upgrade to something else lie more in future-proofing with PCIE-3.0 and a move back to dual channel/quad channel as opposed to Socket 1366's Triple Channel.
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post #45 of 66
heh, i taught to my self "hmm... intel knows something we dont know" . il have to wait alot longer to see something like "Intel introduces Quantum computing" tongue.gif
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There are actually quite a lot of people who are more than fine with a bit lower OC or no OC at all, even on OCN.
Also the guys who push these chips beyond 6GHz for example are usually the ones who buy a bunch of chips instead of a single one.
The people who are delidding and lapping to get the maximum they can on air/water with IB definitely aren't the majority. Most OCNers probably just want an OC that they can comfortably use.

Yeah, I don't OC anymore. I usually do a test run with a new build, but then run at stock (and save a profile in BIOS).

There is nothing I've come across that requires my system to be overclocked, and I prefer to run with no or low fans, plus the power savings are nice from not running at 4.5GHz 24/7.

Overclocking is a niche. Overclocking to the point that is somewhat common on this site is extremely rare in the real world. 99.9% of those "K" CPUs will likely only see their OEM coolers. Maybe only 0.1% of the remaining on aftermarket will actually see water, and even fewer on sub-ambient temps.
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post #47 of 66
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There are actually quite a lot of people who are more than fine with a bit lower OC or no OC at all, even on OCN.
Also the guys who push these chips beyond 6GHz for example are usually the ones who buy a bunch of chips instead of a single one.
The people who are delidding and lapping to get the maximum they can on air/water with IB definitely aren't the majority. Most OCNers probably just want an OC that they can comfortably use.

Agreed

Im fine with 4.4-4.6GHZ on mine...
post #48 of 66
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Anyone read that as Multiple-core processors? I was thinking say whaaaaa!?
My 2600K has done really well, battered it 24/7 for 18 months and no issues so far smile.gif

Yea...I read it that way as well, and my thought was "What? Is Intel just going to release a processor so awesome that it only needs one core? 1Thz processor?!?!"...
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Agreed
Im fine with 4.4-4.6GHZ on mine...

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Yeah, I don't OC anymore. I usually do a test run with a new build, but then run at stock (and save a profile in BIOS).
There is nothing I've come across that requires my system to be overclocked, and I prefer to run with no or low fans, plus the power savings are nice from not running at 4.5GHz 24/7.
Overclocking is a niche. Overclocking to the point that is somewhat common on this site is extremely rare in the real world. 99.9% of those "K" CPUs will likely only see their OEM coolers. Maybe only 0.1% of the remaining on aftermarket will actually see water, and even fewer on sub-ambient temps.

Agreed,

I have my 2500K at 4.6Ghz, well, because I can. I also do enjoy the fact that it steps itself down when not under load, which is a feature I see turned off a lot when people OC. Even with that said, just being perfectly honest here, when I went from my i3 2100 to this CPU I didn't see a big increase in how games performed. The stock speed to this OC didn't make a difference i what I do either, it is just "fun" to have it.

Looking back at the different builds i have done in the last 6 months or so, I would say that the i3 with an AMD 7850 was just a fantastic system that performed so very well. The lack of being able to overclock doesn't impact that feeling in anyway. Although if Intel released a "K" series i3, I would jump on that in a heart beat just to see what it can do! thumb.gif
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Intel doesn't like the i5-2500k and i7-2700k because they are kicking the snot out of some of their 3rd generation chips as far as overclocking goes. Yeah, they may be technically 5-10% slower than their newer cousins, but their ability to OC farther more than offsets that.

Mr. Sulu, set flame shields to max!

If an IvB is within 200Mhz of an SB, it's matching it, anyone buying a 2500k or 2600k over their IvB cousins for any reason other than the $20 they may save or if they can't afford a good cooler is a fool.

I never got why Intel owners tend to get all uppity about the lack of high clocks in IvB despite the higher IPC, but then complain about BD having lower IPC than Phenom II when it also clocks much higher...
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Intel doesn't like the i5-2500k and i7-2700k because they are kicking the snot out of some of their 3rd generation chips as far as overclocking goes. Yeah, they may be technically 5-10% slower than their newer cousins, but their ability to OC farther more than offsets that.
Mr. Sulu, set flame shields to max!

+1. My 2500k will outperform just about any 3570k here under the same cooler. boxing3.gif

My girlfriends i5 3570k could hit 4.5Ghz easily under a H80, it'd then be equal to your chip, it'd likely also get 4.7 or higher if I did the IHS mod to it, in which case it'd beat your 2500k.
The differences however, would be unnoticeable in reality and there isn't any point in going from a 2500k to a 3570k.
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Intel doesn't like the i5-2500k and i7-2700k because they are kicking the snot out of some of their 3rd generation chips as far as overclocking goes. Yeah, they may be technically 5-10% slower than their newer cousins, but their ability to OC farther more than offsets that.
Mr. Sulu, set flame shields to max!

IB is only bad for the people who are cooling their chip on big tower coolers/AIO loops/custom water loops and are looking to clock their chip to 4.8-5.0GHz. In any other area IB "kicks the snot out" of SB.

No, it isn't, a 5Ghz SB will be matched/beaten by a 4.8Ghz IvB (You're about as likely to get a 4.8Ghz IvB as you are a 5Ghz SB these days, too), a 4.8Ghz SB (Not all chips can hit this 24/7 stable) will be matched/beaten by a 4.6Ghz IvB (Nearly all IvB chips can reach this..I can hit 4.4Ghz on a Hyper TX3, imagine what it'd be at under my TRUE? Or a D14? As long as the CPU is under 90c it really doesn't matter how high the temperature is unless you plan on running it like that for 10 years.

If you're running stock then IvB is far better than SB too, it runs at similar temperatures and (iirc) performance while using a lot less power, there's a lot of butthurt SB owners who say otherwise (Because IvB isn't a Nehalems to SB style upgrade) but that's the most objective way of looking at it.
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My 2600k isn't the best clocker out there, but its been nothing but great to me. After sitting out a few generations, I'm really glad I jumped back in when I did. This thing is going to last me many more years if all goes well and I've already got 2 years out of it. I like that type of lifespan.

Even 4.5Ghz is excessive for about 75% of SB owners on this site, they'd probably be fine at stock.
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my poor q9400 must be one foot in the grave if sandybridge is already retired sadsmiley.gif

What about my Q6600? biggrin.gif

That's a beast compared to my friends new computer: Athlon64 3500+ on Socket 939 with 2GB RAM and a PCI HD4550, he had the GPU from his old PC that didn't have AGP or PCIe. puke.gif
I gave him the old Athlon64 I had laying around because it was so damn slow.
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Intel doesn't like the i5-2500k and i7-2700k because they are kicking the snot out of some of their 3rd generation chips as far as overclocking goes. Yeah, they may be technically 5-10% slower than their newer cousins, but their ability to OC farther more than offsets that.
Mr. Sulu, set flame shields to max!

5-10% on top of a 4500MHz Ivy (not that hard to get) = 4725-4950MHZ Sandy (which is a high end OC for Sandy)

Sure, if you already have an excellent overclock on a 2500K/2600K there's not much reason to make the side-grade to Ivy as it would take quite a bit of work to delid and prep Ivy to match a Sandy OC and thus beat it in performance and really only end up 5-10% after all that.

But for those who didn't already jump on the SB train, there really isn't a practical reason to go for Sandy even if the user is intending to overclock as they'll ultimately get no less performance but be better prepared for the future (as they'll have PCI-e 3.0 support) as well has have advantages in power consumption and heat output (note I said heat, not temp). Really the only reason would be for clock rate bragging rights (which isn't very practical), as again, improvements in IPC for Ivy should ultimately offset any clock-rate advantage one would see with Sandy

For reference, the absolute limit (With a tiny bit of actual overheating) for an average 3570k under a AU$29 Hyper TX3 is 4.4Ghz, if I put it under a TRUE it'd be at 4.5Ghz easily with reasonable temperatures.
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Everyone makes it look like it's the end of the world, but 90-95c is the max temp you want for an Ivy chip on air (not heat output...nope, they're not the same!)
I can max at 4.7ghz @ 1.37v, which sits at 90c max +-2c. That is on par with a 24/7 5ghz Sandy i7 and I got a better imc as well as pci-e3.0 (though nowadays it's not a big deal)
If these chips were soldered they would obliterate Sandy easily lol
But as is they are just fine. thumb.gif

And that title is indeed misleading! I was expecting the return of the Netburst architecture and single core cpus with 10ghz clock speeds tongue.gif

Soldering isn't everything to do with the temperatures, it's geared toward mobile CPUs so it runs cooler and with lower power consumption at low voltages, but at high voltages the inverse is true.
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There are actually quite a lot of people who are more than fine with a bit lower OC or no OC at all, even on OCN.
Also the guys who push these chips beyond 6GHz for example are usually the ones who buy a bunch of chips instead of a single one.
The people who are delidding and lapping to get the maximum they can on air/water with IB definitely aren't the majority. Most OCNers probably just want an OC that they can comfortably use.

Yeah, I don't OC anymore. I usually do a test run with a new build, but then run at stock (and save a profile in BIOS).

There is nothing I've come across that requires my system to be overclocked, and I prefer to run with no or low fans, plus the power savings are nice from not running at 4.5GHz 24/7.

Overclocking is a niche. Overclocking to the point that is somewhat common on this site is extremely rare in the real world. 99.9% of those "K" CPUs will likely only see their OEM coolers. Maybe only 0.1% of the remaining on aftermarket will actually see water, and even fewer on sub-ambient temps.

Definitely, I only run my FX-4170 overclocked because it requires little to no extra voltage to do so and it's only 300Mhz, so why not? I wish I had more control over turbo though on both Intel and AMD, I'd just leave it at stock but set the turbo clocks to clock up if it's been at 100% for more than 30 seconds straight, that way if I'm transcoding/encoding, etc then it'll clock up but otherwise be at stock; best of both worlds.
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I wonder if the 2500K is the best processor built to date
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