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And that the experience will be ****

so it's going to be the normal experience most Windows users have when they use Windows tongue.gif
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I think its because Windows 7 had way more use before release compare to Windows 8.
This.
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... and there we go. Didn't take long for that to come out. Once again the "You don't know how to ..." statement. When will people learn that just because you don't want to do something a certain way does NOT mean you don't know HOW to do something?
I know HOW to drive a right-hand drive car. Doesn't mean I WANT to drive one.
Big difference.
I think you're failing to understand it means that you don' know how to use the OS properly to reap its gains. My 5 year old cousin knows how to drive a car, but I bet he wouldn't last long behind the wheel.
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That video helps a bit, but I'm still not seeing a reason that I need to use metro. If I'm on a tablet, sure, maybe, but on a desktop computer I don't see the need. It can make a handy start menu I guess, but the way "apps" are handle in metro is just terrible, IMO. That being said, I'll likely still be getting Windows 8 for non-metro reasons.

Not saying you need to use metro or trying to give you a reason.

Just saying that if you're influenced by their first video, looking at their newer one that gives a pretty different perspective than their initial reaction could be useful.

Yea, regardless of the video, everyone should at least try the free preview of it. I tried it and had no problems with the desktop mode part. Getting in and out of metro apps, closing them and whatnot was less than straightforward and very much seemed like it was made for tablets. I understand them wanting to unify the experience somewhat, but designing an interface for tablets and then putting it on the desktop OS was simply a bad idea IMO.
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Yea, regardless of the video, everyone should at least try the free preview of it. I tried it and had no problems with the desktop mode part. Getting in and out of metro apps, closing them and whatnot was less than straightforward and very much seemed like it was made for tablets. I understand them wanting to unify the experience somewhat, but designing an interface for tablets and then putting it on the desktop OS was simply a bad idea IMO.

How to close an app (Hint: no dragging the window down needed): http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/10240805/img/10240805.png

Simple use of mouse, go to top right corner and move your mouse down. it takes me less then half a second to do and I see all the open apps and can right click then close any one of them. Works perfect for desktop computers and mouse.

Also what makes my life easier.. is using metro UI for metro apps only and instant search. Everything else stays on my desktop. There is no need to use the Mtetro UI for all your shortcuts like I see so many videos do, that just makes a users life harder imo.
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We won't know how well 8 does until, like all the other versions, a year to a year and a half after release. After all the major bugs get worked out and drivers are polished. People get over hating it for the sake of hating it and give it try and like it or they don't.

I don't like it from what I have seen, but I haven't tried it since the dev preview. I have the consumer preview download but never tried it. Maybe I will fire it up and see what happens...
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We won't know how well 8 does until, like all the other versions, a year to a year and a half after release. After all the major bugs get worked out and drivers are polished. People get over hating it for the sake of hating it and give it try and like it or they don't.
I don't like it from what I have seen, but I haven't tried it since the dev preview. I have the consumer preview download but never tried it. Maybe I will fire it up and see what happens...
Don't waste your time, you might as well download the final thing. Burn it to a disk, and install. It doesn't require any keys.

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We won't know how well 8 does until, like all the other versions, a year to a year and a half after release. After all the major bugs get worked out and drivers are polished. People get over hating it for the sake of hating it and give it try and like it or they don't.
I don't like it from what I have seen, but I haven't tried it since the dev preview. I have the consumer preview download but never tried it. Maybe I will fire it up and see what happens...

User interface aside (which I hope Microsoft comes to their senses and puts in a CHOICE to have "Classic View" again, just like they have had for 2 decades now ... but I doubt it, because their entire future product line now hinges on this ugly beast of a look and feel), I think that by the time Service Pack 1 rolls around, Windows 8 will be a very good Operating System. It should be fairly bullet proof, stable, drivers will be in place for 99.9% of the major hardware out there, and it should even be about 5-10% faster than Windows 7. The only problem is, the $39.99 upgrade price expires at the end of February 2013, and I just don't think that people are going to wait until Service Pack 1 and pay $179 to upgrade from Windows 7.

By and large, I think that the vast majority of people running on Windows 7 will simply stay with Windows 7 (sure a small percentage will blow $40 and upgrade, even if they don't install it), but the vast majority of Windows 8 sales will be from new computer sales from Dell, HP, etc and those people who are running XP and Vista.
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Don't waste your time, you might as well download the final thing. Burn it to a disk, and install. It doesn't require any keys.
Downloading it now.
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I think that the vast majority of people running on Windows 7 will simply stay with Windows 7
It will have to be something extravagant for me to move to 8. I just moved to 7 not but a few months ago after running vista for four years. I only did that because of the promise of better performance. Which I was very disappointed to find none. In fact I have had far more issues with 7 than I ever did with vista. I have been debating on going back to my vista install. It has just run great for so long. I know the vista/7 experiences I have had are completely opposite of what most have. Everyone thinks 7 is so great but I have been wanting to throw things across the room since I have started running it. lol!
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While Windows is fundamentally sound, the operating system lacks a wide range of robust applications and PC makers haven’t had enough time to work out kinks with so-called drivers, which connect software to such hardware as printers, Cherry said.
So Windows 8 fails for your own mistakes Intel? Good one, quit messing around and code some proper drivers already you cry babies.

How is that down to Intel? That 3rd party analyst said a wide range and that PC makers (For more emphasis, plural on the maker part wink.gif) haven't had time to work out kinks with drivers.
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Doesn't AMD already have stable drivers out for their GPU's for Windows 8? I'm just saying..if AMD can figure it out.........

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How are AMDs drivers bad? I see the claim repeated time and time again, but never with any proof.
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No, that is exactly the opposite of what you said and what the article reads. This is NOT Intel crying over their own problems. This is two different analysts talking about Windows 8, nowhere does it read that it has anything to do with Intel related drivers.
I wonder why Intel would even acknowledged the fact that Windows 8 isn't ready for drivers. If Intel was sitting all high and mighty they would of never even mentioned it. Unless they was implying that other hardware manufactures are struggling to get their drivers out the door. In which most already have, so its not a issue with Windows 8.

Having drivers out and having great, relatively bug free drivers are two separate things, I suggest you actually read the report very carefully before you make any more mistakes with what people have said.

Why did I just know this wouldn't be W8s problem in your view? There's defending against the haters (As you put it in another thread) and then there's plain ignoring the real reports to suit your agenda.
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Your argument is fallacious, and demonstrates that you have a severely underdeveloped understanding of Windows 8. I suggest that you stop making a fool of yourself.
Intel has partners. Tons of them. When its partners aren't doing well, Intel doesn't do well. You don't know for certain that this is Intel's problem, do you? Your attempt to blame this on Intel is rather contrived and desperate.
Nope, more over the fault doesn't lye within Windows 8 like the article suggests. Its like buying a carton of eggs packaged in a plastic bag, and then wondering why half of them are broken by the time you get home. The problem isn't Windows 8, its whoever is struggling to produce software that runs on it. Its nothing more then the finger pointing game, as everyone has to point the finger at someone. Intel decided to point theirs at Microsoft by blaming Windows 8 as the culprit. The article has no credibility what so ever, if it was such a problem for them or their partners they should give up their position in this market.

Indeed that's true, but instead of going ahead and waging war against Intel without properly reading the actual news post say that from day one.
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See that little desktop icon on the metro start page? Click it and you will be able to function your computer as normal.Really not that serious.

Unless you use the start menu as much as me (And a few other users) do, in which case Metro slows you down somewhat and then it is pretty serious, as it is I've moved my laptop fully to Linux on a permanent basis (It's my workhorse, all of my Uni work and non-gaming related stuff is done on that) and I'm considering going to Linux on my desktop too.
    
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Every time Microsoft releases a new OS, people always think things will be different "this time." When has Microsoft ever released an OS that wasn't "plagued with bugs" on release. Better yet, why do people continue to purchase the "in-between" Operating Systems that Microsoft releases? Eg. Before they released XP, there was that big hunk of crap called ME. Before they released 7, there was ME version 2.0 aka Vista. Then of course it isn't until SP1 or SP2 that an operating system finally becomes manageable for use. I didn't go to XP until SP2, because my 2000 was running perfectly. When I did make the crossover from 2000 to XP, I was completely satisifed with SP2 rarely ever having problems. Then I completely skipped Vista after hearing so many horror stories, knowing it was another Microsoft in-between OS. Then finally I jumped onto 7 only a year and a half ago with SP1. Couldn't be any happier. Haven't had one single problem with this OS. Not one, literally.

Which leads me to the next question. Why do people feel the need to purchase the newest operating system upon release continually, year after year, when the previous operating system is finally stable and perfectly suitable for use? Besides bragging rights, and being your prototypical bandwagon jumper; there really isn't any other explanation. People constantly pain themselves by going to the newest operating system, as if they were expecting something different from the previous years; "Oh this time it will be different."

Even though, from what I've read, there seems to be mostly positive feedback with 8, people still need to realize that this is an "in-between OS." Which eventually means that as more users are using it, more bugs and problems will quickly rise to the surface. I'm not going to start on the whole Metro interface, or removing the start bar because really that decision by Microsoft was again an "in-between" phase operating system decision. They are simply testing something out, and seeing whether or not it works. When the majority of the people who use Windows come to find that it is extremely difficult to use (and I'm talking about the majority of people in the world who use Windows based computers, not people on OCN), either the start bar will be implemented in another service pack or you can expect to see it in the next version of Windows, perhaps "Windows 9." Even if Microsoft claims they have no desire to bring it back, you can assume that they will be forced to bring it back based on the many user responses they're going to get.

Regardless, it doesn't surprise me that other companies are saying it's not ready for release, but as in the previous years we will all come to find that yet again it was indeed not ready for release; which means as usual it will take another year or two for the first service pack to be released before it is perfected.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/2/12 at 2:02pm
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