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I'm just curious...is there some new 'Samsung Store' you can take it to instead of your carrier? If there is I've never heard of it

I think they opened one in Austrailia. lachen.gif

Yes they did, and this article claims it looks like an apple store. I don't see it, but whatever.

http://allthingsd.com/20120823/samsung-opens-new-apple-store-in-australia/
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Okay since there is no other thread dedicated to comparing the Samsung Galaxy S3 vs iPhone 5, I made this thread for a fair comparison. That means no bias.
Then why not post all the other benchmarks that show the iPhone 5 winning? Such as in GLBenchmark, or SunSpider, etc.
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Aaron's major disappointments with the iPhone 5 are:
  • Problems with quality control. His iPhone 5 had scuffs to the chrome sides, whereas many iPhone 5s also had scratches to the back metal plating.
  • Apple maps is laggy, buggy and inaccurate. GPS on the iPhone 5 is also buggy and inaccurate.
  • The form factor of the iPhone 5 is awkward at best. The 4 inch screen may be bigger than the 3.5" screen of the iPhone 4S, but they just made it longer, making it a very narrow looking phone.
  • There are not many new features with the iPhone 5
  • The camera features are very limited. There are no burst mode, HDR and photo sharing options. Also I'm pretty sure you can't even take still photos when video recording.

These QC problems and buggy Apple maps that Aaron talks about are quite significant.
1. That sucks, but it happens. Some units are defective or have scratches.
2. It's definitely not laggy. There are problems with it though. And how is the GPS "buggy and inaccurate"?
3. The form factor is great. It's lighter than the 4S and only a little taller.
4. There aren't? I guess he hasn't had a very thorough look.
5. HDR mode has been available for a while. You can also share those photos quite easily, and you can take stills while video recording.
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I look at Apple the same way I look at Bose. They're ok, and their products are decent, but both companies go around touting themselves as if they were "The best things ever!!" or god's gift to their respective tech industries when the truth is, they're not. Both companies are arrogant and balloon-headed, and that makes me hate them. STOP OVERCHARGING FOR YOUR MEDIOCRE PRODUCTS!

I don't hate Apple because the tech sucks (as I said, its not bad) I hate them because they call it 'revolutionary' or they go out of their way to imply it's the best thing you can spend an inflated amount of money on.

Example: Top of the line 27" iMac configured on the Apple online store $3,349 before tax/shipping
Exactly equivalent PC with 27" 1440p monitor (just like the iMac) $1,647 with tax and shipping, guaranteed here in 3 days (and it did include Win7, and a free copy of Mass Effect 3 also)

And please, don't give me any crap about 'form-factor' or 'aluminum construction, blah blah blah' That does NOT equal double the price.
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I just don't see the point of picking an iPhone 5 instead of SGS3 which has obviously a bigger screen, more features and cheaper price unless you want a smaller phone or you're used to iOS and don't want to switch to android.

If someone has a prior life with an iPhone, I can see not wanting to walk away from previously-purchased apps, etc. That said, *most* people only have about .99 worth of paid apps on their iPhone, anyway.
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Example: Top of the line 27" iMac configured on the Apple online store $3,349 before tax/shipping
Exactly equivalent PC with 27" 1440p monitor (just like the iMac) $1,647 with tax and shipping, guaranteed here in 3 days (and it did include Win7, and a free copy of Mass Effect 3 also)

And please, don't give me any crap about 'form-factor' or 'aluminum construction, blah blah blah' That does NOT equal double the price.
Can you send me the link to this system and monitor so I can check them out myself?

1. The stock high end 27 inch iMac is $1999 before upgrades.

2. If you're claiming that a product is overpriced, then you should at least compare it to other products of the same type. The iMac is an all-in-one, not a tower. No one goes around saying a laptop is overpriced because you can get a desktop with the same or better specs for less, they compare them to laptops.

3. The iMac is normally updated after ten months or so, but it's been over a year and a half now, so it's going to be at its worst in terms of value... it has older hardware, but the same prices.
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Can you send me the link to this system and monitor so I can check them out myself?
1. The stock high end 27 inch iMac is $1999 before upgrades.
2. If you're claiming that a product is overpriced, then you should at least compare it to other products of the same type. The iMac is an all-in-one, not a tower. No one goes around saying a laptop is overpriced because you can get a desktop with the same or better specs for less, they compare them to laptops.
3. The iMac is normally updated after ten months or so, but it's been over a year and a half now, so it's going to be at its worst in terms of value... it has older hardware, but the same prices.

1. I know this, and the point was, for the tech in it, it's overpriced, what you're paying for is the name and the construction. And the construction, while good (I'll give them that) is bad for heat dissipation. We can argue all day that it being aluminum helps with that, but the simple fact is, they'll run hotter. And you're getting a mobile video card, not a much better desktop-grade card. And really? $300 to upgrade to 16gb of ram?
2. People compare them all the time. It being an all-in-one vs a tower makes no difference. Both server the same purpose, a desktop PC that never (or rarely) moves from it's location. But that alone it can and should be compared to a tower.
3. That's not really an excuse, if it's old, and they know it, the price should be significantly lower. The reason they don't is the hype and marketing surrounding Apple products.

Look I know you're an Apple fan, and I'm fine with that. All I'm saying is that Apple overprices their products, they aren't horrible, you're just paying way more than you should for what you're getting. If you're already ingrained into the iOS and iTunes and App Store, that's fine, but for someone who's not, they need to realize they're paying for the name.

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EDIT: Price on the monitor went up $100, still nearly half the price of an equivalent iMac (and the 6950 2gb is arguably much better than the 2gb 6970M who's equivalent is a desktop 6850)

Sure it STARTS at $1,999 but with those 4 changes it's gone up $1,350.




Total for an equivalent PC (and actually a bit better) $1760, a far cry from $3,349. It's also upgradable. Again, I'm not saying iMacs are bad, they're not, but they are VERY overpriced. Even if you pay a professional to build it for you and get it up and running (which runs between $100 to $400 depending on the place) You're still $1k cheaper.

EDIT 2: And if you want to compare All-in-ones.

Dell all-in-one
better hardware stock than the $1,999 iMac - $1,649 $1,777 shipped to my door

I could buy BOTH of those systems for less than $200 more than the single iMac
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1. I know this, and the point was, for the tech in it, it's overpriced, what you're paying for is the name and the construction. And the construction, while good (I'll give them that) is bad for heat dissipation. We can argue all day that it being aluminum helps with that, but the simple fact is, they'll run hotter. And you're getting a mobile video card, not a much better desktop-grade card. And really? $300 to upgrade to 16gb of ram?
2. People compare them all the time. It being an all-in-one vs a tower makes no difference. Both server the same purpose, a desktop PC that never (or rarely) moves from it's location. But that alone it can and should be compared to a tower.
3. That's not really an excuse, if it's old, and they know it, the price should be significantly lower. The reason they don't is the hype and marketing surrounding Apple products.

Look I know you're an Apple fan, and I'm fine with that. All I'm saying is that Apple overprices their products, they aren't horrible, you're just paying way more than you should for what you're getting. If you're already ingrained into the iOS and iTunes and App Store, that's fine, but for someone who's not, they need to realize they're paying for the name.
1. The stock systems are actually pretty good value though, it's the upgrades which are overpriced. For $1999 you're getting a good 27 inch display and decent hardware. For $3350 you're not getting much more.

It doesn't matter if it runs hot or not if it runs within thermal spec. On top of that, the fans are also near silent. Yes you're getting a 6970M which is essentially a 6850D with roughly a 10% underclock, so a 6850 should be used in any comparison build. Yep, but you could buy them from a third party also.

2. You're right, they do -- but that's to determine which is the better purchase for them, not if one of the products is overpriced. If you're going to claim that, then you need to prove that other products of the same type (which are the same or similar quality) are cheaper. You're comparing a self-built rig to an all-in-one, and in comparison to such a rig, everything is overpriced. You can still compare an all-in-one to a pre-built desktop, but then you need to take into account the pros and cons of each form factor instead of just specs which makes it more complicated.

Also since you are comparing a self-built system (which your average joe can't build) to an all-in-one, why not use third party parts for the RAM in the iMac as well? You can spend $50-100 to pickup 16GB of RAM from OWC. I'd say the same for the HDD and SSD as well, but that's quite difficult and has it's own set of hurdles.

3. I don't have a problem with the system staying the same price (as they do mostly refresh every 10 months or so) -- but I do think the upgrade prices should decrease as the market does. For example Apple is still charging $1000 for 512GB SSDs but the current market price is about half that.
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Give me a few minutes, need to rebuild the list.

EDIT: Price on the monitor went up $100, still nearly half the price of an equivalent iMac (and the 6950 2gb is arguably much better than the 2gb 6970M who's equivalent is a desktop 6850)

Sure it STARTS at $1,999 but with those 4 changes it's gone up $1,350.
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Total for an equivalent PC (and actually a bit better) $1760, a far cry from $3,349. It's also upgradable. Again, I'm not saying iMacs are bad, they're not, but they are VERY overpriced. Even if you pay a professional to build it for you and get it up and running (which runs between $100 to $400 depending on the place) You're still $1k cheaper.
Unfortunately your average person probably just picks up a system from HP or Dell rather than contacting a professional to build them their own custom rig, otherwise those companies would be out of business.

I'll also point out that a good quality 27 inch 1440p display runs about $800 or $900. Anything less than that is going to be subpar. Dell's U2711 (IIRC) costs about $900 or something the last I checked, and it's a really good display.
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EDIT 2: And if you want to compare All-in-ones.

Dell all-in-one
better hardware stock than the $1,999 iMac - $1,649 $1,777 shipped to my door

I could buy BOTH of those systems for less than $200 more than the single iMac
With a similarly configured iMac you're looking at $2449 which is partly due to its age. That's with the i7 2600 3.4GHz, 8GB of RAM and a 2 TB HDD. The Dell also has an inferior GPU.
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300 dollars.

Tell me it's inferior to an Apple monitor. I want the lulz to ensue.
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1. The stock systems are actually pretty good value though, it's the upgrades which are overpriced. For $1999 you're getting a good 27 inch display and decent hardware. For $3350 you're not getting much more.
It doesn't matter if it runs hot or not if it runs within thermal spec. On top of that, the fans are also near silent. Yes you're getting a 6970M which is essentially a 6850D with roughly a 10% underclock, so a 6850 should be used in any comparison build. Yep, but you could buy them from a third party also.
2. You're right, they do -- but that's to determine which is the better purchase for them, not if one of the products is overpriced. If you're going to claim that, then you need to prove that other products of the same type (which are the same or similar quality) are cheaper. You're comparing a self-built rig to an all-in-one, and in comparison to such a rig, everything is overpriced. You can still compare an all-in-one to a pre-built desktop, but then you need to take into account the pros and cons of each form factor instead of just specs which makes it more complicated.
Also since you are comparing a self-built system (which your average joe can't build) to an all-in-one, why not use third party parts for the RAM in the iMac as well? You can spend $50-100 to pickup 16GB of RAM from OWC. I'd say the same for the HDD and SSD as well, but that's quite difficult and has it's own set of hurdles.
3. I don't have a problem with the system staying the same price (as they do mostly refresh every 10 months or so) -- but I do think the upgrade prices should decrease as the market does. For example Apple is still charging $1000 for 512GB SSDs but the current market price is about half that.
Unfortunately your average person probably just picks up a system from HP or Dell rather than contacting a professional to build them their own custom rig, otherwise those companies would be out of business.
I'll also point out that a good quality 27 inch 1440p display runs about $800 or $900. Anything less than that is going to be subpar. Dell's U2711 (IIRC) costs about $900 or something the last I checked, and it's a really good display.
With a similarly configured iMac you're looking at $2449 which is partly due to its age. That's with the i7 2600 3.4GHz, 8GB of RAM and a 2 TB HDD. The Dell also has an inferior GPU.

Where are you getting the inferior gpu part? it's a 2gb GDDR5 640M compared to a 1gb 6970M also GDDR5...Unless you fork over the extra hundred for a 2gb version.

Also remember, you can have someone build that pc for you and STILL have it cost less overall than the Mac.

And yeah Yamakasi's are phenomenal monitors. Just because Dell charges $900 for theirs doesn't make them better, its the Apple/Bose thing again. More expensive doesn't mean better.

The Dell also has faster RAM, a blu-ray drive, bluetooth 4.0 (vs 2.1 in the iMac), HDMI out and is still $250 cheaper. (And keep in mind I hate Dell and think even they're pricey for what you actually get, but they still beat out Apple)
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The hilarious part is Yamakasi monitors ARE Apple monitors. lachen.gif

Just without all the connections. That said you can pay more for more connections and still make out at far less than half the price of an apple monitor.

Did I mention it overclocks to 120hz+
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Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
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Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
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OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
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Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
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Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
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Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
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