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Would you say that standard RAID itself is becoming less useful for large storage?
Big data solutions generally place the data redundently on multiple servers. Then there are non-RAID RAID solutions that provide similiar performance, redundency but more flexibility (i.e. Z-RAID,unRAID, Storage Spaces, etc).

Standard Raid for large arrays is impractical, IMO. Spanned arrays such as Raid 10/50/60 on the other hand is still useful to a certain point. My NUS (Network Unified Storage) I built for home is planned to have 20 3TB drives in a Raid 60, for 42-45ish TB of storage, able to withstand 4 drive failures and still run (should replace a dead drive immediately, or better yet, have hot spares).

A lot of hardware raid controllers can span up to 128-256 drives, with multiple arrays using JBOD enclosures. Building multiple arrays with a single controller is a great idea, and of course having backups (on-site limited, and full off-site backups). There are also redundant SAN setups (two identical SANs) each with redundant controllers, PSUs, etc...which basically mirror each other. Those are nice, but costly. Never put all your eggs in one basket.
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So the reds or the toshibas is the question for me?
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Standard Raid for large arrays is impractical, IMO. Spanned arrays such as Raid 10/50/60 on the other hand is still useful to a certain point. My NUS (Network Unified Storage) I built for home is planned to have 20 3TB drives in a Raid 60, for 42-45ish TB of storage, able to withstand 4 drive failures and still run (should replace a dead drive immediately, or better yet, have hot spares).
A lot of hardware raid controllers can span up to 128-256 drives, with multiple arrays using JBOD enclosures. Building multiple arrays with a single controller is a great idea, and of course having backups (on-site limited, and full off-site backups). There are also redundant SAN setups (two identical SANs) each with redundant controllers, PSUs, etc...which basically mirror each other. Those are nice, but costly. Never put all your eggs in one basket.

So for 2 arrays in a home server (4 3TB RAID 5, 4 1.5TB RAID 10) what kind of RAID card would you suggest? I'd prefer just one but I can run two if I have to.
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So the reds or the toshibas is the question for me?

From my understanding the Toshibas.
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So for 2 arrays in a home server (4 3TB RAID 5, 4 1.5TB RAID 10) what kind of RAID card would you suggest? I'd prefer just one but I can run two if I have to.

Depends on your budget and if you plan to buy used or new. LSI (Dell PERC / Intel raid adapters use LSI controllers), Areca, and Adaptec make good ones.

I find eBay to the best place to buy them. So far had great results with buying used ones.
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Depends on your budget and if you plan to buy used or new. LSI (Dell PERC / Intel raid adapters use LSI controllers), Areca, and Adaptec make good ones.
I find eBay to the best place to buy them. So far had great results with buying used ones.

Dead on. 8 drives is the magic number for most raid controllers (which have 2 miniSAS SFF-8087 ports, which is 4 SATA channels). I bought my LSI MegaRaid 9261-8i on ebay with a battery backup for like $350, used...which is a steal. That card with a BBU is over $600 new, and they both work great. BBU still has 98% life.

If you want dirt cheap...Dell PERC 5/i is a good basic card. If you want best bang for the buck, Dell PERC 6/i is a great card. It uses older big cables, but works the same way.

Most raid controllers are based on LSI chipsets...which is why I prefer LSI cards. LSI SAS2208 chipset is the latest and greated, with the LSI SAS2108 being a step behind (what my controller has). LSI SAS1078 is what is on the PERC 6/i, and is the minimum I'd recommend simply for expansion sake. The best way to expand your raid controller and add more drives is with a SAS Expander card, such as the HP SAS Expander...which requires 256mb RAM or higher on the card, so get a card with 256mb RAM or higher. If buying new, look at warranties...Intel controllers come with a 1 year warranty (low-mid range controllers).
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So the reds or the toshibas is the question for me?

As for which one, that's your call. The Toshiba's are new...but are pretty much Hitachi's. I haven't used one yet, but am looking to build my Raid 60 with them. WD Reds are also fairly new, and still hard to find ($225+ for 3TB). The Toshiba's are popping up on ebay and less known vendors, around $150-175 for 3TB...which is a great price.
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Dead on. 8 drives is the magic number for most raid controllers (which have 2 miniSAS SFF-8087 ports, which is 4 SATA channels). I bought my LSI MegaRaid 9261-8i on ebay with a battery backup for like $350, used...which is a steal. That card with a BBU is over $600 new, and they both work great. BBU still has 98% life.
If you want dirt cheap...Dell PERC 5/i is a good basic card. If you want best bang for the buck, Dell PERC 6/i is a great card. It uses older big cables, but works the same way.
Most raid controllers are based on LSI chipsets...which is why I prefer LSI cards. LSI SAS2208 chipset is the latest and greated, with the LSI SAS2108 being a step behind (what my controller has). LSI SAS1078 is what is on the PERC 6/i, and is the minimum I'd recommend simply for expansion sake. The best way to expand your raid controller and add more drives is with a SAS Expander card, such as the HP SAS Expander...which requires 256mb RAM or higher on the card, so get a card with 256mb RAM or higher. If buying new, look at warranties...Intel controllers come with a 1 year warranty (low-mid range controllers).
As for which one, that's your call. The Toshiba's are new...but are pretty much Hitachi's. I haven't used one yet, but am looking to build my Raid 60 with them. WD Reds are also fairly new, and still hard to find ($225+ for 3TB). The Toshiba's are popping up on ebay and less known vendors, around $150-175 for 3TB...which is a great price.

The 9261-8i is what I will probably look for when I buy one then. Thanks. thumb.gif

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The 9261-8i is what I will probably look for when I buy one then. Thanks. thumb.gif.

I've stuck with 3Ware (LSI now) cards since I'm only using SATA II HDDs. Performance is good, the UI is easy to use and they are reliable.
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I agree with going for the Hitachi (HGST) / Toshiba drives. My 1TB and 2TB Hitachi Deskstar drives have been going strong in near 24/7 operation for almost 2 years without any issues. thumb.gif
I can't say the same for the Seagate 1.5TB / 3TB or WD 1TB drives I own. I have had to RMA several of those for being DOA, too many bad sectors or drive failure after a few days use. mad.gif
every Hitachi ive owned has bit the dust within 6 months mad.gif
and is not like they were being moved ro touched a lot ..they were inside server grade hardware with excellent cooling...the wds beside them are still going strong with samsungs coming on strong as well(preseagate) and then seagates coming in front of the Hitachi
ive only ever used one Toshiba and it was a lappy drive that got replaced for a larger drive anyway
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every Hitachi ive owned has bit the dust within 6 months mad.gif
and is not like they were being moved ro touched a lot ..they were inside server grade hardware with excellent cooling...the wds beside them are still going strong with samsungs coming on strong as well(preseagate) and then seagates coming in front of the Hitachi
ive only ever used one Toshiba and it was a lappy drive that got replaced for a larger drive anyway

Yeah, Toshiba is a new player to consumer desktop drives. Sorry to hear your Hitachi problems, but I have 4 7K3000 2TB drives going strong for 1+ year. No S.M.A.R.T. errors yet!
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The 9261-8i is what I will probably look for when I buy one then. Thanks. thumb.gif
Do you like your Rosewill Server Chassis? I've been looking to convert mine to rackmount and these caught my eye for the price.

The 9261-8i is a great controller, and the heatsink can get a little cool...so make sure you have quality fans in your chassis (I have a 3x120mm fan bar with 3 120mm Ultra Kaze, and 2 bgears b-blaster 80mm for exhaust...and they move some serious air, not that loud either. I like my Rosewill chassis, since they are cheap. No hotswap...but I don't use them for my storage HDDs. I have two of the rosewill chassis, both are my Hyper-V servers...each only have 2 60gb SSDs in them.

My Norco RPC-4224 is my storage server, and that case is awesome!
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Yeah, Toshiba is a new player to consumer desktop drives. Sorry to hear your Hitachi problems, but I have 4 7K3000 2TB drives going strong for 1+ year. No S.M.A.R.T. errors yet!
The 9261-8i is a great controller, and the heatsink can get a little cool...so make sure you have quality fans in your chassis (I have a 3x120mm fan bar with 3 120mm Ultra Kaze, and 2 bgears b-blaster 80mm for exhaust...and they move some serious air, not that loud either. I like my Rosewill chassis, since they are cheap. No hotswap...but I don't use them for my storage HDDs. I have two of the rosewill chassis, both are my Hyper-V servers...each only have 2 60gb SSDs in them.
My Norco RPC-4224 is my storage server, and that case is awesome!

Yeah I was looking at the hotswap chassis from them that had 12 bays on the front. Right now I'd prefer if my home server is just one server (might build a backup unRAID server with all my spare drives) but I have been thinking of just building a second server to cluster with my existing one. If I do I'm leaning towards the 8350 when it comes out because of the price, hard to get i7s or Xeons for cheap that I can justify for home use. How do you like the 8120? I assume you have two servers, are they clustered?
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