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Too many points and too lazy to quote, but Linux isn't going to be thrust on the market. It will need to take baby steps. Getting major companies to encourage development in an area where there are a decent amount of people is a good thing. Much of what Linux needs is out of its control. The biggest things are working drivers for newly released hardware and mainstream software to be ported to it.

OEM's are a long way from getting accepted. What Valve is doing, even if for its own interest, isn't small. That is how most companies operate. They borrow from open source and make changes to help themselves, then they submit those changes upstream so everyone benefits from them.

I am not sure how old you are or the last time you tried Linux, but the learning curve is nothing these days. The new generations are much more tech savvy than the older generations. Look around, 7 and 8 year olds are using android and the iphone, which are both linux and unix based systems. My sister is 24 and she learned linux in an hour or two, atleast enough to find all games, web browsers, her home directory files, and everything short of the command line. The days of the excuse "You have to type in a 100 character string of commands into the command line to get Linux to work" are over. You can setup Linux and run it forever without even needing to open a terminal.

Once a couple companies fall in line, it will just get better. Having Google and now Valve driving some development makes the future of Linux on the PC promising.
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I see people are ignoring the elephant in the room which is
1. Getting OEMs to not put windows and put Linux
1.5 Getting OEMs to decide on which distro to put
2. Marketing Linux to get general acceptance and knowledge so people would buy it
2.5 Deciding which Linux distro is going to be marketed
3. Educating people on how to use Linux and its many distros
4. Getting current Windows users who has little knowledge on installing an operating system to install Linux on their own
4.5 Getting current Windows users to decide which distro is going to be installed
All this is required to get general acceptance or even gamer acceptance of Linux. At this point, launching Steam even with its full library will maybe get Linux around 5%-10% of market share, not to mention that that is very far away from happening. After seeing the reaction to the Windows 8 UI change, I don't understand how dumping Linux instead of W8 on people's machine will make any difference in people's perception. Make a video where you put someone not computer-savvy in front of a Linux machine and see how they react, it's going to be the same as the W8 video. People are adverse to change, not matter if they are touch-focused or not, except on Linux you can't run many programs natively.
As I've said before, I speculate that this isn't for the Linux community like it may seem like, but some closed-Linux distro is going to be used in the Steam Box or some other console/device Valve is currently making and they need games on there before they launch it. They are working on big picture, getting non-gaming software to be distributed on steam, and getting games ported to Linux. How does this not indicate they are making their own console??
And yes, I've used many distros of Linux (Peppermint, Linux Mint, Ubuntu and related distros, Fedora) and they take a long time to get used to and learn everything and customize everything. Also, my laptop just didn't just want to cooperate with the Linux wifi drivers and the graphics performance was very minimal when playing Minecraft. On my desktop, it was fine except the steep learning curve.

Quite a few OEM's already give the option to install Ubuntu. Which will likely be the distro most OEM's choose anyways. Which basically covers the majority of the above.
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