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Waiting to see part 2. I really want something to make my weekend, smile.gif
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It's practically wiped out the sub$100 graphics card market singlehandedly...How is that not impressive? Literally, there's no reason to get a sub GT640 level graphics card now.

Only OEMs had GT 610, 620, 630, 545, 530, 520 anyhow.

Typically the i7 machines from HP HPE series or Dell XPS series have HD 7570/HD 7670/ GT 640.

It's a win for AMD if they pull this off. People with Pentiums/ i3s aren't really pushing their PCs that hard usually, so improved integrated graphics (particularly on laptops) will be a BIG selling point.
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Gee, what ever happened to benchmarks, reviews, release date, etc at launch, not before? rolleyes.gif

AMD is very sneaky. Highlight its strengths, hide its weaknesses. This might as well have been a Graphics Card review. lol.
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As we said before, what AMD is doing here is quasi-clever, taking an existing form—the "limited product preview"—hollowing it out, and using it in an innovative fashion in order to achieve a previously unheard of measure of control over reviewers. In the past, "previews" have been short and breezy, and they've traditionally included a very small amount of test data, if any. Quite often, those results are provided directly by the product's manufacturer and are understood to be preliminary.

By contrast, well, look at the articles out there today. They sure look like reviews, and some are labeled as such.

AMD has "allowed" wide leeway in its first-stage release of information to report nearly all product information and a broad set of independently obtained test data in areas where its product is strong, such as integrated graphics. Yet reporting the independently obtained results of CPU-focused benchmarks must wait until the second stage, when the initial buzz surrounding the product has worn off.

By exercising this sort of control over the release of independent test data, AMD gets to highlight its product's strengths and downplay its weaknesses. Or, as the firm put it, "The goal was to provide an opportunity to talk about the real-world experience with the product and also highlight the performance in key applications where we are targeting the product." At least they're being upfront about it.

Trouble is, companies whose products are being reviewed do not and should not get this sort of control over the release of independent review data. Reviews are not advertising and they are not marketing vehicles; they are independent evaluations of products that should keep the consumer's interests paramount. Blurring the fine line between "preview" and "review" may create confusion in some quarters, but when the dust settles, the principle at stake isn't difficult to spot: it's editorial independence.
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What's so sneaky about it? The product hasn't even launched yet and is still under NDA.
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 9/27/12 at 2:20pm
 
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What's so sneaky about it? The product hasn't even launched yet and is still under NDA.

If you don't understand what's sneaky about it after reading my long quote, well, what else can be said?

Maybe this will help:
http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd-attempts-to-shape-review-content-with-staged-release-of-info
http://techreport.com/news/23644/amd-explains-its-reasons-for-staged-info-release

Do you not remember AMD's stance on releasing Bulldozer benchmarks prior to launch? rolleyes.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1107646/bulldozer-pre-launch-faq/0_50

This is ALMOST like Nvidia telling reviewers to do "previews" of their Graphics cards with Nvidia favored games ONLY, and post the rest of the games a week or so later for the full "review". By the time the full review gets posted, that initial buzz has worn off, and not many will notice the rest of the games.

This is what AMD is doing, posting "previews" of their strengths, while blatantly hiding its weaknesses.
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The goal was to provide an opportunity to talk about the real-world experience with the product and also highlight the performance in key applications where we are targeting the product.

Since when does the real-world experience revolve around gaming? rolleyes.gif
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Just because I can understand AMD's motivation doesn't make it right. The reviewers shouldn't play ball with these kind of tactics as it will encourage this behavior going forward...
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Just because I can understand AMD's motivation doesn't make it right. The reviewers shouldn't play ball with these kind of tactics as it will encourage this behavior going forward...

It doesn't really bother me to be honest. Its a preview. We all know that the APU focuses on graphics performance - and that is what the benchmarks showed. When the part is released, full benchmarks will follow. I think it's pretty obvious that on CPU intensive tasks that the ivy bridge will win hands down - but AMD's argument is that graphics performance is the new focus. Are they correct? Maybe - certainly, CPU IPC has been less of a focus in recent years even for intel and the new focus is pushing more pixels. Even haswell will be only a minor IPC improvement over ivy bridge, yet will have a tremendous graphics performance boost for mobile.

Basically, the Trinity stomps the HD4000 in graphics performance. 2010rig is also pretty adamant about trashing AMD at any and every opportunity, sorry not trash talking but its the truth. Anyway, full benchmarks will come in the following weeks, but this is a graphics performance preview. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Edited by xoleras - 9/27/12 at 4:14pm
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very disappointed with the review.
Trinity's gpu scales very nicely with high clock ddr3 ram
would absolutely love to see some 2133, 2400 results

1866MHz RAM is the fastest memory Trinity supports... AMD doesn't have the uber-fast memory controller that Intel has.


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My laptop has an Athlon M340 and 4570 with 80SP running at 680. Even at full the CPU is slow in Win 7 mad.gif Linux runs great but not useful for Office, as I have realise Libre Office can't do quite a few things that MS Office can and I don't feel like messing with Wine.

I think you need to slim down your Win7 config or something, because even my father's 1.9GHz Athlon 64 x2 seems to run Windows 7 SP1 just as well as my 2.5GHz Athlon 64 x2 can run Windows XP.

Then again, we also use SSDs (though my father's mobo is only SATA1) and have a slim-enough OS config with enough RAM to have the pagefile disabled altogether.

Considering that Llano can often get above like 2500MHz on air I'm pretty sure Trinity can as well
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very disappointed with the review.
Trinity's gpu scales very nicely with high clock ddr3 ram
would absolutely love to see some 2133, 2400 results

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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post

1866MHz RAM is the fastest memory Trinity supports... AMD doesn't have the uber-fast memory controller that Intel has..

XbitLabs has done a memory frequency review as well.....

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Memory Scaling looks really good.... smile.gif

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-trinity-graphics_8.html#sect0

Nice scaling.
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I HOPE it can

Hybrid Crossfire with HD7750..... really hope/....

nope. VLIW4 can't CF with GCN.
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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post

1866MHz RAM is the fastest memory Trinity supports... AMD doesn't have the uber-fast memory controller that Intel has.



I think you need to slim down your Win7 config or something, because even my father's 1.9GHz Athlon 64 x2 seems to run Windows 7 SP1 just as well as my 2.5GHz Athlon 64 x2 can run Windows XP.
Then again, we also use SSDs (though my father's mobo is only SATA1) and have a slim-enough OS config with enough RAM to have the pagefile disabled altogether.


Oh really?
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XbitLabs has done a memory frequency review as well.....
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Memory Scaling looks really good.... smile.gif
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-trinity-graphics_8.html#sect0


FX has a much improved IMC over Phenom II in terms of bandwith.1866 is the official top speed but can be overclocked considerably.Intels 3960X only supports 1600MHz offically. thumb.gif

Problem is that because of the actual design of the memory controller AMD needs a ridiculously high clock speed to achieve anywhere near the bandwidth Intel can with 1600MHz.
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The point is that AMD is allowing everything but CPU performance in this "preview" so it will be read as a review, not a preview. The reasoning behind that is that NOBODY is going to pay attention to the actual reviews a month from now when the dismal CPU performance numbers drop. I'm not bagging on AMD's product here, I know its an APU, but their tactics are still dishonest and put reviewers in a tough spot in terms of their credibility...
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The point is that AMD is allowing everything but CPU performance in this "preview" so it will be read as a review, not a preview. The reasoning behind that is that NOBODY is going to pay attention to the actual reviews a month from now when the dismal CPU performance numbers drop. I'm not bagging on AMD's product here, I know its an APU, but their tactics are still dishonest and put reviewers in a tough spot in terms of their credibility...

Exactly, I'm also pointing out how AMD changes its "policies" to suit them best.

I'm not dogging on AMD every chance I get, I'm just pointing out what they are doing, and that I don't agree with their tactics.

Heck, the thread title reads as a "Review" not a Preview.

AMD A10-5800K & A8-5600K Review: Trinity on the Desktop, Part 1

Last year = Benchmarks at Launch. Why? Because they had nothing to boast.

This year = Selective Benchmarks prior to Launch. Why? Their gaming benchmarks are great, but let's ignore the CPU benchmarks.

If the CPU was outperforming Ivy Bridge, you bet those would also get "previewed".

Reviews are supposed to be independent, and un-biased, not controlled marketing materials for AMD.

Like I said, very sneaky.
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