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Nice igpu performance...we all know who is butt hurt in this thread!cheers.gif
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See, I'm a bit torn.

On one hand, if you only care about gaming performance, you're only going to look at gaming benchmarks. For those people, it wouldn't matter if the CPU results were included. For those that care about both, they'll probably wait for the second batch. The third group, the one that's looking at strictly CPU performance — they aren't going to get anything out of these previews. Now, for those in the last two groups that are completely ignorant of computer hardware and think that if it's fast in games, it's fast in everything — I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for them. They're an extremely small minority. Seriously, who browses a review site without having some understanding that GPUs and CPUs are different? It takes an interest in computers in the first place to end up on a hardware review site.

If you don't take the time to understand how your computer works, then you get what's coming to you. If you get $500 quote for an oil change and go for it... it's your fault for not knowing that an oil change doesn't cost remotely near that.

I repair computers at my university for a living, and honestly, you pay a premium for being ignorant/not figuring out how to fix things on your own. It's just how the world works. We charge $80 for a virus removal for instance — it's a god damn piece of cake, albeit time consuming. We're actually cheaper than our competitors. But dammit, if you're the kind of person that thinks your computer is just there for that "little blue e" so that you can go on facebook and use google, you deserve to be charged that rate. Every damn penny of it.

Don't know how to cook? Then you get to pay extra for frozen food and eating out. Don't know how to change a tire? You get to pay for someone to do it for you. Don't know the difference between a GPU and CPU? Well then you get what's coming to you.

Yes, this is shady of AMD. They are not the saint-like company that everyone thinks they are. I do hold them in higher regard than other businesses because of their support for open source, but at the end of the day, they are still there to take your dollars.

I'm glad that Scott Wasson over at The Tech Report made a big stink about it, but I do think that the issue is being over-dramatized. I think that AMD will have gotten the message — that this isn't right — but the review sites that chose to AMD up on their offer are not even remotely at fault. From what I've seen, they all make it quite clear that this is only half of the equation. If you don't bother to do anything but look at charts and fail to grasp the most basic details of computing, then you deserve to be screwed.

AMD has tried this before, and they were shot down in the past by AnandTech. I do feel the circumstances are completely different this time around, and the reviewer's voices are all very clear. If you don't bother reading what a review actually says about the product, it's your fault. Unlike AMD's "Tahoe" garbage, they are not trying to taint the reviewer's perspective of the product. The vast, vast majority of users that read these reviews won't be fooled either. For those that are, well, I've already covered my feelings on that.
Edited by Homeles - 9/27/12 at 7:28pm
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There's also those people out there that think the CPU is everything and then wonder why their 2500k with HD2000 plays Minecraft so poorly... at least this style of review could possibly help prevent that.

Note I said possibly, even if it's only a 0.0000001% chance. tongue.gif
 
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I really don't see what AMD has to hide given the 5800K's price point. The fact that it overclocks to 4.5ghz and beyond daily, puts it on par, and ahead of it's competition (i3).
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I really don't see what AMD has to hide given the 5800K's price point. The fact that it overclocks to 4.5ghz and beyond daily, puts it on par, and ahead of it's competition (i3).
And that you would have to spend an additional $100 on a discrete GPU to have an equal performing system.
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With iGPU's getting so good, wonder when we'll have switchable graphics on desktop to save some power and lower noise...
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With iGPU's getting so good, wonder when we'll have switchable graphics on desktop to save some power and lower noise...

this.

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I really don't see what AMD has to hide given the 5800K's price point. The fact that it overclocks to 4.5ghz and beyond daily, puts it on par, and ahead of it's competition (i3).

AMD learned from the mistake of hoping overclocking would save its ass with Tahiti vs Kepler. Argue about how it's deceptive all you want, it's better for their marketing. The CPU trades blows with an i3 at stock whereas the GPU destroys anything Intel could dream of.

That said I don't see many Intel reviews touting the IGP.
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AMD learned from the mistake of hoping overclocking would save its ass with Tahiti vs Kepler. Argue about how it's deceptive all you want, it's better for their marketing. The CPU trades blows with an i3 at stock whereas the GPU destroys anything Intel could dream of.
That said I don't see many Intel reviews touting the IGP.

Intel is modest with their GPUs. They are improving and only getting better. Haswell's GPU is going to be interesting.
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AMD learned from the mistake of hoping overclocking would save its ass with Tahiti vs Kepler. Argue about how it's deceptive all you want, it's better for their marketing. The CPU trades blows with an i3 at stock whereas the GPU destroys anything Intel could dream of.
That said I don't see many Intel reviews touting the IGP.

Intel is modest with their GPUs. They are improving and only getting better. Haswell's GPU is going to be interesting.

Some of their advertising isn't really all that accurate. Neither companies are exactly saints when it comes to this kind of stuff.

From their website: "HD addicts can game on without a discrete video card. Intel® HD Graphics delivers sophisticated experiences with life-like visuals to the casual and mainstream gamer."

I've heard of worse being displayed in ads around tech-illiterate stores like Best Buy.
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AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
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320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
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Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
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Altec Lansing 
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AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
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128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
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XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
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Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
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Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
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Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
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AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
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2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
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HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
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ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
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16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
Audio
Altec Lansing 
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