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[Reuters] EU set to charge Microsoft over ruling breach

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Microsoft Corp will be charged for failing to comply with a 2009 ruling ordering it to offer a choice of web browsers, the European Union's antitrust chief said on Thursday, which could mean a hefty fine for the company.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/27/us-microsoft-eu-idUSBRE88Q0DW20120927

Seems like the browser saga is still ticking on for MS. This time the potential bill is already pretty serious. Read the source btw smile.gif I found it interesting (there are references also to Google and Intel in there). And it seems that Google might be the next one to the cooking pot.
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This is the second time Microsoft has failed to comply with an EU decision. If found guilty of breaching EU rules, it could be penalized up to $7.4 billion or 10 percent of its revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2012.

Edited by Carniflex - 9/27/12 at 7:13am
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ms will never include a rival out of the box.they will do like mse .change ie dowloadable .wait ie9is downloadable so the eu speak about an obsolete version?w8.ms please remove ie from w .then probleme solved no need to spam ads for rival .add ie as part of microsoft security solution.since we all use microsoft security !no arm will be done .and you wont have to pay
post #3 of 18
Chrome and Firefox are more popular than IE despite the fact that every Windows OS uses IE as default browser. I am not bothered by this and most people just install their favorite browser, which only takes 2 minutes....MS is not restricting the use of other browsers. So I don't see the problem here. I think it's just politics.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Mac OS come with Safari only?
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kookoo.gif I still don't get the logic though. IE is Microsoft's product. If they were to include pre-installed, say Chrome, that would require negotiations between MS and Google. However, IE does its job and there is no need for such complex negotiations. It's not like MS refuses or limits Chrome on Windows.

This is clearly the EU trying to flex its muscles and make an example out of somebody. On the other hand, you don't see the EU having a problem with the iPhone having Safari as the only fully-capable web browser. Chrome on iOS can't even use its own Javascript engine, yet the EU has no objection for that and pursues Microsoft instead.
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Still it is harsh...who includes 2x browsers? Apple with iOS or Google with Android? They have a huge market share too...
What about iPods and iTunes? Did they fine the #1 MP3 controlling industry? Ofc not.

They don't even rule that kind of money on companies that was proven guilty to bribe/extort vendors in order to weaken the competition.

Bill donated too much of MSs revenues...that's the problem...MS is a tame puppy as far as business practices in comparison with Apple, Intel, Google, Cisco etc
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I don't see what's so bad about Microsoft including only Microsoft OWNED products on their system. If I take someone elses software and put it on my machine, that is called THEFT, regardless if I use it or not.

It's about as retarded as the EU saying "Hey Microsoft, you don't include Adobe Creative Suite 6 and Autodesk Mechanical Desktop in your operating system, here is a $7 billion fine. Nevermind you don't OWN either of those programs and if the customer WANTS them, they can go out, buy them and install them with ZERO trouble."

Next up, Windows 8 European Edition. It comes on 786 25GB Bluray discs. System requirements: Same as Windows 8, except it requires 2.7 Petabytes of Hard Drive space (to ensure that it complies with all the "pre-installed software" requirements as put forth by the European Union).
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Heck, I don't use IE myself, and doubt I ever will. That being said, the idea that you can't include FREE software that YOU made with your own product, without including alternatives from all your competitors, borders on insanity.

What's next? Will the developers of Notepad++ complain because the fact that Notepad is included with Windows is stealing their marketshare? rolleyes.gif
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Next up, Windows 8 European Edition. It comes on 786 25GB Bluray discs. System requirements: Same as Windows 8, except it requires 2.7 Petabytes of Hard Drive space (to ensure that it complies with all the "pre-installed software" requirements as put forth by the European Union).

What?

Even Movie Maker isn't preinstalled now and I don't see what would lead to a valid antitrust case besides browsers. A lot of people use IE because it comes preinstalled.
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A lot of people use IE because it comes preinstalled.

And considering that Chrome has overtaken IE in the browser market share and Chrome is NOT installed by default, it sort of a moot point isn't it? I guess it really doesn't matter about it being "preinstalled" and causing Windows to be even more of a bloated hog than it already is ... because you CAN download and install it IF YOU WANT IT.


Chrome browser grabs more market share
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In addition to grabbing a third of the global browser market, Google Chrome has also apparently become king of the hill in Europe last month, surpassing Firefox for the first time.
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On the point of IE, most people on here (OCN) have an understanding of computers. My perants still use a 5 year old version of the AOL internet client, because anything else confuses them.
Giving them another option, and the freedom to choose, may or may not turn out for the best. Considering IE practically holds a monopoly over those with little or no knowledge is unfair and technically exploitation.

No. It isn't. It's called good business. The last time I checked, my phone only comes with one internet browser built in to it, and I don't see the EU going after Google on this situation. If the EU has something wrong with proprietary software, maybe they should go after Apple... they have a lot more money to burn anyway.
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