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I love how everyone seems to think that people that don't like Windows 8 are just beinh "ignorant" or are "against change". THIS is why I'm not touching windows 8. All it took was one 20 minute video, showing how impractical it looks to sell me on keeping Windows 7 smile.gif

And this is why we say most people that hate on Windows 8 are ignorant.

For example, my stupid cousin actually thought that there was no desktop interface for x86 Windows 8, and that everything was through Metro only. That was his grounds for hating Windows 8.
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Minecraft works on linux thumb.gif

one thing comes to mind...
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This is just getting absurd. Come one guys! There is nothing wrong with Windows 8 and you know it. I think it's just a personal vendetta against Metro which ISN'T A BAD UI mad.gif

Windows 8 is a fine operating system, if you want DRM disguised as a operating system.
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5 year olds get creative with finger paint, doesn't mean what they're doing is innovative or an advancement to art (see: that stupid Windows Explorer ribbon. Explorer++ is leaps and bounds above the W8 Explorer, as is XnView for viewing pictures in an Explorer setting. Now if W8 would combine the 2.. and add a very minimal toolbar at the top, that'd be an improvement). Same with Windows 8. If Microsoft can honestly put up the focus groups, the feedback, research, statistics, and tangible ergonomics improvements ("doing X takes .2 seconds less"), etc., then I'll say, hey, perhaps they're on to something. But for now.. I'm going to hold off. Like everyone else, one Vista was enough trauma for me to experiment around with new, unnecessary things right out the box.
Anyway, I think the real issue the Minecraft guys have is everything Windows is so proprietary. You want to make a gaming API standard, fine, but make it open-source and cross. Linux isn't a huge threat to MS in terms of market share at any rate, even if Dell is going to start shipping some laptops/desktops with Ubuntu.


You missed a whole slew of crappy windows revisions, there was 3.0 2.0 ME, and on and on. Theres been a tons of misses with windows since its inception, I know I suffered through most of them.

There will be a service pack at some point that correct the UI issues, and if not, MS will loose some market share, and I personally feel that this is a good thing. The biggest way to threaten data integrity, is OS monoculutre.
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Same as above. I'm a "dos" man. Died hard to windows. I hated IT!!

But the truth of the matter is Windows 8 is fine. The world isn't ending. Your freedom isn't going anywhere and from everything I've read from this guy, Notch strikes me as a douche. (Love his game though)
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Windows 8 is gonna be a failure, not sure how big but it will be. There is no hype for the new OS and lots of people hate it. MS perception by many is all negative for the past couple of years. They really are just digging a bigger hole with Windows 8. I feel bad for them. Only thing keeping them going is Xbox and Office. Their mobile and search have been huge failure and I don't see how Windows 8 will help them in any way. No hype at all like other companies.
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^Pretty big failure. Microsoft pricing it too high ($80 for Pro is fair, as the very highest price. They'll charge $100 minimally for the system builders version) , and offering no valid reason to upgrade. Semi-tangent, as an example "Smoked by WP7" campaign - ok, if WP7 can do things faster than Android, sell point. I've seen nothing showing W8 is faster than W7 for basic tasks- first, right-click menu. Next, stupid explorer ribbon. Tiles- not at all screen real-estate efficient, taking up the whole screen with start menu.. train wreck. I'd much prefer Mountain Lion over W8 in terms of productivity and usability and I'm not an Apple guy in the slightest. I won't go so far as saying I'd use Ubuntu with Unity over W8.. but who knows..

As a case study, look at the rise of Linux Mint since Ubuntu went with Unity. First time Mint crossed Ubuntu on the daily pagehits on http://distrowatch.org was after Unity - and now it has about 50% more hits (numbers were reverse pre-Unity). People don't like pointless UI changes- they liked 7 because you could snap windows to the left/right, supersearch improved over Vista, icon stacking for multiple program instances, etc. I don't care how pretty something is if its not functional - to the point where I've occasionally run the Classic theme on 7 - why not? It benches a couple percent higher, and I'm not amused much by transparent window frames.

http://www.zdnet.com/even-windows-8-early-adopters-prefer-windows-7-by-two-to-one-7000004927/ Apparently the 8-boys of OCN are in the minority.
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^Pretty big failure. Microsoft pricing it too high ($80 for Pro is fair, as the very highest price. They'll charge $100 minimally for the system builders version) , and offering no valid reason to upgrade. Semi-tangent, as an example "Smoked by WP7" campaign - ok, if WP7 can do things faster than Android, sell point. I've seen nothing showing W8 is faster than W7 for basic tasks- first, right-click menu. Next, stupid explorer ribbon. Tiles- not at all screen real-estate efficient, taking up the whole screen with start menu.. train wreck. I'd much prefer Mountain Lion over W8 in terms of productivity and usability and I'm not an Apple guy in the slightest. I won't go so far as saying I'd use Ubuntu with Unity over W8.. but who knows..
As a case study, look at the rise of Linux Mint since Ubuntu went with Unity. First time Mint crossed Ubuntu on the daily pagehits on http://distrowatch.org was after Unity - and now it has about 50% more hits (numbers were reverse pre-Unity). People don't like pointless UI changes- they liked 7 because you could snap windows to the left/right, supersearch improved over Vista, icon stacking for multiple program instances, etc. I don't care how pretty something is if its not functional - to the point where I've occasionally run the Classic theme on 7 - why not? It benches a couple percent higher, and I'm not amused much by transparent window frames.
http://www.zdnet.com/even-windows-8-early-adopters-prefer-windows-7-by-two-to-one-7000004927/ Apparently the 8-boys of OCN are in the minority.

You should read into it further:
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Their list of weaknesses in Windows 8 started with price: 35% followed by system requirements: 26%; incompatibility 25%; Windows freezes 20%; and only then does the interface show up with 18%.. A close reading of the forum's messages find that their members really do feel that Windows 8 will be over-priced and they're finding lots of hardware driver and software incompatibility problems.

Less than 1 in 5 really dislike the UI. The Windows 8 haters are all proclaiming that the UI is what is going to make Windows 8 fail. 1 in 5 don't like it, and these are the early adopters that care about such things. The general public just takes whatever is given to them as long as it works for them, so the impact of the UI on Windows 8 sales is most likely much less. Equating Linux to Windows here doesn't really work, as only power users really use Linux.

Edit: Looking further into it, it is very misleading. Clicking on one of the links takes me to another article, which showed only 26% of the poll's respondents actually used Windows 8.

Basically, if only 26% of the respondents actually used Windows 8, and 25% responded they preferred Windows 8, that actually seems favorable for Windows 8, doesn't it? Haters are saying that the vast majority of people that use Windows 8 is going to hate it, that clearly does not seem to be the case.

Here are the complete survey results.

Here's a link to the survey form. You can see how its laid out.
Edited by Tsumi - 9/27/12 at 11:52pm
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Tried it for weeks on end and dumped it to go back to W7. Metro doesn't matter, it is thankfully easily ignored.
I just didn't find it any faster at anything other than booting up and shutting down, not a big wow where I come from.
For me it is as simple as I do not want to support this OS so I will not use it.
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"Windows 7 is more user friendly than Windows Vista, I don't like that" - Sheldon Cooper

Windows 8 might seem like the right step in the right direction, everything is easier and just there. Is that good? I guess it depends on who you ask. I for one, hate iOS for its simplicity. Yes, it runs well and rarely lags if at all but everything just seems there, felt like I was using a toy made for newborns. I felt like I was being insulted by the simplicity and lack of...options? I don't like that. Windows 8 reminds me of the same experience, the not metro look just doesn't do it for me. I get it, all your stuff is right there. I just really don't like the fisher price theme they got with the blocks. It feels like a step backwards in terms of innovation.
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