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2013 is not even here and Steamroller will be released in 2014 so I don't understand why some of you are excited.
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2013 is not even here and Steamroller will be released in 2014 so I don't understand why some of you are excited.

Because it means that the socket will still be alive in 2014.
   
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well too late I already getting my intel almost done!
 
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SB-E hexa cores have the performance to back up the power consumption numbers though...

The superiority of Intel isn't even as clear cut as is claimed, considering there's more to life than fps. Even if all you do is game the FX series are more than fine. There is also cost to consider, the i7 3820 is30% more expensive than the FX3850 and I just spent that difference on an SSD. Now if you really want an FX crushing CPU you need to be prepared to pay out double to triple the price of the FX3850.
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The superiority of Intel isn't even as clear cut as is claimed, considering there's more to life than fps. Even if all you do is game the FX series are more than fine. There is also cost to consider, the i7 3820 is30% more expensive than the FX3850 and I just spent that difference on an SSD.

The 3820 is a quadcore.
   
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Although they aren't perfect, AMD does a good job helping people upgrade. Motherboards that support DDR2/DDR3, sockets that support generation after generation, and affordable boards/chips.
Not to mention their APU, which is fantastic.

What is this misconception that Intel boards are expensive? An 88 dollar Z77 Pro3 can max out ivy on air and water.

But it also has a crappy VRM system, I've been using one for a few months now and they really are bad quality. Heat up like nothing else at 4Ghz, stock volts.
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Except it will get to a point where upgrading your CPU won't do anything, which would be a true bottleneck.
My reply is two months late due to the thread being necro'd, but it seems that you have missed the entire point of what I said there. Yes, there is a hard line that you cannot cross, but it takes an infinite amount of effort to reach it. Think logarithms.

But there's still no bottleneck on the CPU, think of it like running a production line, lets say step C is the bottleneck by far (ie. The GPU), you can speed up Step A (The CPU) to increase total speed, but it isn't really bottlenecking everything else, it will still improve performance though. A bottleneck is when your system performance is constrained by something, you can still get performance benefits by improving other areas but they won't show up as much as the bottleneck, and the more you improve it the less you see thanks to diminishing gains.
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This is really good news for the folks who bought into the wonderful little FX4170 for example. Or the poor suckers who bought FX8s for gaming.
What makes the FX-4170 so wonderful, and an 8 core so terrible?

I think the FX-4170 is terrible value. It was 1/2 an 8120 for 3/4 the cost.

Mine was great value, 1/2 an 8120 for 0% of the cost. wink.gif
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SB-E hexa cores have the performance to back up the power consumption numbers though...

The superiority of Intel isn't even as clear cut as is claimed, considering there's more to life than fps. Even if all you do is game the FX series are more than fine. There is also cost to consider, the i7 3820 is30% more expensive than the FX3850 and I just spent that difference on an SSD. Now if you really want an FX crushing CPU you need to be prepared to pay out double to triple the price of the FX3850.

Especially considering the FX-83*0s are matching IvB dollar for dollar, considering AMD is actually gaining more than Intel from each generation they'll definitely have a viable competitor for Haswell in SR, maybe not in gaming but I can definitely see an FX-8550 matching a 4770k in most CPU intensive tasks.

It's funny, people go on about how AMD needs to increase single-threaded performance..but in areas where it actually makes a difference, generally you're not CPU limited, if you game with a single GPU and do CPU intensive stuff such as extraction, encryption, encoding, etc, I'd wager that an FX-8350 is a better buy than a 3570k, what's an unnoticeable loss of FPS (I know, I've gone from an FX-4170 to a 3570k and while there is a difference I have to be looking at the numbers to be able to even tell) for performance near the 3770k in actual CPU intensive stuff?
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The 3820 is a quadcore.

It has 4 cores and 8 threads, your point is?
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Especially considering the FX-83*0s are matching IvB dollar for dollar, considering AMD is actually gaining more than Intel from each generation they'll definitely have a viable competitor for Haswell in SR, maybe not in gaming but I can definitely see an FX-8550 matching a 4770k in most CPU intensive tasks.
It's funny, people go on about how AMD needs to increase single-threaded performance..but in areas where it actually makes a difference, generally you're not CPU limited, if you game with a single GPU and do CPU intensive stuff such as extraction, encryption, encoding, etc, I'd wager that an FX-8350 is a better buy than a 3570k, what's an unnoticeable loss of FPS (I know, I've gone from an FX-4170 to a 3570k and while there is a difference I have to be looking at the numbers to be able to even tell) for performance near the 3770k in actual CPU intensive stuff?

The following backs your statement up.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

The WoW resolution is unknown and for the ix series to totally destroy the FX line the resolution has to be 1024x768 or lower. While it proves the point that their single threaded performance is lower it serves no purpose in real world computing, unless you do game at 1024x768 or even 800x600. If so I would recommend getting a tanker load of LN2, getting an i7 3970x, a Formula board and clocking that CPU past 6GHz because even a mid-range GPU will be bottlenecked at those speeds. You could alternatively get a Prometia Mach II GT but I don't know where you'd get one from.

A while ago I was told by someone who claimed to be knowledgeable about PC's that nVidia's lower end offerings were better than AMD's because their higher end models were 'faster'. If this is your logic for buying a CPU then you should be looking at OEM PC's (this is aimed at the general public not you Brutuz).
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Especially considering the FX-83*0s are matching IvB dollar for dollar, considering AMD is actually gaining more than Intel from each generation they'll definitely have a viable competitor for Haswell in SR, maybe not in gaming but I can definitely see an FX-8550 matching a 4770k in most CPU intensive tasks.
It's funny, people go on about how AMD needs to increase single-threaded performance..but in areas where it actually makes a difference, generally you're not CPU limited, if you game with a single GPU and do CPU intensive stuff such as extraction, encryption, encoding, etc, I'd wager that an FX-8350 is a better buy than a 3570k, what's an unnoticeable loss of FPS (I know, I've gone from an FX-4170 to a 3570k and while there is a difference I have to be looking at the numbers to be able to even tell) for performance near the 3770k in actual CPU intensive stuff?

The following backs your statement up.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

The WoW resolution is unknown and for the ix series to totally destroy the FX line the resolution has to be 1024x768 or lower. While it proves the point that their single threaded performance is lower it serves no purpose in real world computing, unless you do game at 1024x768 or even 800x600. If so I would recommend getting a tanker load of LN2, getting an i7 3970x, a Formula board and clocking that CPU past 6GHz because even a mid-range GPU will be bottlenecked at those speeds. You could alternatively get a Prometia Mach II GT but I don't know where you'd get one from.

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And for when someone no doubt says that Intel is more future proof because of it's higher single threaded performance..No, that's false. Games are going to use more cores, I remember hearing the exact same argument from Penryn owners for getting a E8400 over a Q6600, the Q6600 aged considerably better because it had 2 extra cores, dual cores are a bottleneck in gaming these days. I can definitely see FX-8350s matching 3570ks in gaming in future, or being ridiculously close (ie. Differences but not really noticeable) throughout the years simply because the multi-threading ability of games will go up, and the FX-8350 has 4 more hardware cores.
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And for when someone no doubt says that Intel is more future proof because of it's higher single threaded performance..No, that's false. Games are going to use more cores, I remember hearing the exact same argument from Penryn owners for getting a E8400 over a Q6600, the Q6600 aged considerably better because it had 2 extra cores, dual cores are a bottleneck in gaming these days. I can definitely see FX-8350s matching 3570ks in gaming in future, or being ridiculously close (ie. Differences but not really noticeable) throughout the years simply because the multi-threading ability of games will go up, and the FX-8350 has 4 more hardware cores.

E8500s were overclocking monsters and were not to be taken lightly over 4.5ghz. My old Gigabyte P45 could do 500fsb. Was amazing
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And for when someone no doubt says that Intel is more future proof because of it's higher single threaded performance..No, that's false. Games are going to use more cores, I remember hearing the exact same argument from Penryn owners for getting a E8400 over a Q6600, the Q6600 aged considerably better because it had 2 extra cores, dual cores are a bottleneck in gaming these days. I can definitely see FX-8350s matching 3570ks in gaming in future, or being ridiculously close (ie. Differences but not really noticeable) throughout the years simply because the multi-threading ability of games will go up, and the FX-8350 has 4 more hardware cores.

E8500s were overclocking monsters and were not to be taken lightly over 4.5ghz. My old Gigabyte P45 could do 500fsb. Was amazing

Yet the difference between a Q6600 G0 at 3.8Ghz and a E8500/E8400 at 4.5Ghz in modern gaming will have the Q6600 on top, I owned a E8300 and a Gigabyte P43 that couldn't get above 400FSB, was a great PC but dual cores are just too damn slow these days, even the latest Pentium dual cores struggle, you really do need HT.
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Intel Core i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz ASRock Z77 Pro3 Powercolor Radeon HD7950 3GB @ 1150/1350 4x4GB G.Skill Ares 2000Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 250GB Western Digital Black 1TB WD1002FAEX Seagate Barracuda 3TB ST3000DM001 Samsung Spinpoint EcoGreen 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer DVR-220LBKS Noctua NH-D14 Scythe Gentle Typhoon 1850rpm Corsair AF140 Quiet Edition 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Arcitc Cooling Acclero Twin Turbo II Arch Linux x86-64, amdgpu BenQ G2220HD BenQ G2020HD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine III Year of the Snake, Cherry Blue Silverstone Strider Plus 600w CoolerMaster CM690 II Black and White SteelSeries Sensei Professional 
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