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I am new to overclocking and in need of some advice. Before I continue, here is my rig:

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE
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I managed to land a 3.8GHZ stable. It was with a vCore of 1.38 and multi of 19 with LLC at full. I then bumped it up to vCore 1.416 and a multi of 20 to achieve a 4.01GHZ. It seems stable however I only ran prime95 blend for an hour before my comp decided to auto shut down for an update >:[ but during that stress test I noticed that my voltage went up to 1.45 and my max temp within that hour was 54C with a min of 31C.

Should I be concerned at this point? Are there any other tweaks/fine tuning yall would recommend?

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but during that stress test I noticed that my voltage went up to 1.45 and my max temp within that hour was 54C

Where were you reading this temp from?

I don't know about the CH4, but on the CH5, it initiates thermal shutdown at 130C on the VRM, do your VRM and possibly NB/SB have any heat issues?

Nevermind, missed the update portion in your post. Uh, 1.45 is fine. Just don't let TCase (CPU/Socket) get past 62.5C.

EDIT: You should really OC the CPUNB on that chip, leaving it at 2000 is severely holding it back.
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Where were you reading this temp from?
I don't know about the CH4, but on the CH5, it initiates thermal shutdown at 130C on the VRM, do your VRM and possibly NB/SB have any heat issues?
Nevermind, missed the update portion in your post. Uh, 1.45 is fine. Just don't let TCase (CPU/Socket) get past 62.5C.

Edit: Nevermind, you redacted your statement
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Where were you reading this temp from?
I don't know about the CH4, but on the CH5, it initiates thermal shutdown at 130C on the VRM, do your VRM and possibly NB/SB have any heat issues?

It shut down for updates.

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Max temp: 62C
Max CPU Volts: 1.5v
Max CPU/NB Volts: 1.5v (won't help past 1.3)
Shouldn't need to modify anything else.

Your 1090T has an unlocked multiplier. Just raise the multi, and bump the voltage when needed.
Crank the NorthBridge as high as it will go. For Thuban chips, this is about 2800-3000Mhz.
Want to find max OC? See Part 2.

Useful stuff:
http://sites.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_Dragon_AM3_AM2_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf
http://www.overclock.net/t/226939/amd-cpus-current-tech-essentials-older-tech-link-included
http://www.overclock.net/t/777378/official-gappos-little-deneb-thuban-overclocking-guide-with-too-many-smileys

Part 2:
Should you touch the FSB at all, keep in mind that it will modify everything that is related to the FSB. This includes the CPU speed, RAM speed, Northbridge Speed, and HyperTransport speed. You will need to change their respective multipliers to keep them in check.
Keep the HyperTransport as close to 2000 as you can and stay within the limits stated above.
Memory has a little wiggle room, depending on how well the RAM can OC. See RAM OC guide if interested. Otherwise stay near whatever your stock speeds are.
Northbridge should still be kept between 2600 and 2700 if at all possible.

So you have a little voltage room to play with. If you can keep temps in check, you might be able to hit 4.2Ghz.
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Sorry for off topic question, but does that mean that it's not so bad when the VRM's on my Sabertooth break 70C?

Don't worry about 70C, the board will throttle itself if the VRM is in danger. The Sabertooth and Crosshair boards are damn close to indestructible haha. 70C actually isn't bad at all if you're running 4.4GHz 24/7. Mine get pretty hot, but I haven't hit the limit of the C5. The -lowest- thermal shutoff point on this board is 130C, it lets you adjust it up to 151C or disable it completely (LN2 Mode)
    
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Where were you reading this temp from?
I don't know about the CH4, but on the CH5, it initiates thermal shutdown at 130C on the VRM, do your VRM and possibly NB/SB have any heat issues?
Nevermind, missed the update portion in your post. Uh, 1.45 is fine. Just don't let TCase (CPU/Socket) get past 62.5C.
EDIT: You should really OC the CPUNB on that chip, leaving it at 2000 is severely holding it back.

I monitor my temps using Hardware Monitor v1.20

As far as the CPUNB is concerned, I'll try that. Any rule of thumb to take into consideration when oc'ing this? or just the usual small increments?
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I monitor my temps using Hardware Monitor v1.20
As far as the CPUNB is concerned, I'll try that. Any rule of thumb to take into consideration when oc'ing this? or just the usual small increments?

Figured as much. If using HWMonitor, the temperature to watch is CPUTIN or "CPU" as it may be labeled on your board. Core temperatures are irrelevant. I personally recommend AIDA64 for this purpose.

About the same as overclocking everything else, just be mindful that it adds a metric ton of heat to the chip when you get happy with the CPUNB voltage.
    
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Core temperatures are irrelevant

Are you sure about that. CPU is the temperature of the Socket correct and the CPU Core's are the actual temps of the cores themselves.

I would think the socket isn't so much a concern(unless its crazy high) as the cores themselves are on the chip you know.
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Alright cool, i'll download that program and try everyone's advice as soon as I get home from work. As far as heat is concerned I guess I really should invest in that H80.
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Are you sure about that. CPU is the temperature of the Socket correct and the CPU Core's are the actual temps of the cores themselves.
I would think the socket isn't so much a concern(unless its crazy high) as the cores themselves are on the chip you know.

The socket doesn't have a sensor. The temperature that is labeled "CPU" or "CPU socket" is actually AMD's estimation of the value TCase. This is what they base the specification on as the cores themselves are rated to run much higher than 62.5C. That said, the AM3 and AM3+ socket specification dictates that the socket must withstand -55C to +110C without thermal shock damage, and it never mentions an internal sensor.

The value that the board comes up with is delivered via sideband from the chip and it is infact TCase, as to the where "real" sensor ACTUALLY is, that's just speculation at this point. Some say Tjunction, which would make the most sense (but it is definitely on the chip, not the board)

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