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Becoming more and more disillusioned with this game mainly due to SOE's ambivalence toward game mechanics, and utter neglect to police the player populace.

There have been a half dozen major updates and countless hotfixes since I started playing and the net effect is virtually nil. Almost everything is slightly different, but almost nothing is actually better or more fun. Buffs, debuffs, and fluff; almost nothing really substantial...the quest for more money I suppose. Even the performance updates have been disappointing. Yes, the game runs much faster, but the trade offs are fairly extreme in some cases.

The second issue is that the game is riddled with obnoxious, terrible, exploitative, people and just enough outright cheaters to ruin the experience for anyone who takes their competitive entertainment remotely seriously. It's no wonder these people get free reign, SOE almost never does anything about them, no matter how many times they are reported or what evidence of misconduct is provided.

All in all, game is getting stale. There is new content and a balance tweak treadmill, but none of the game's fundamental flaws are likely to ever be addressed.

Would love proof that there is nothing done about cheaters. For that matter, would love proof everyone you accuse is actually cheating.

A lot of the things I do get me accused of cheating, because I play the silent light assault. Silenced weapons, maxed JJ and Ammo belt, crossbow, sneaking around in high or out of the way places, behind enemy lines, etc. I've killed the same people many times over without moving an inch. That isn't cheating.

I also play on Connery most of the time, which is by far the most popular server. Extremely rarely do I see anyone do anything I can't do myself with enough luck. Most of the time those people are high-BR.

So exactly what kind of "cheating" do you see? Invincibility? Invisibility? Wallhacks? I've never seen any of those.

As for what they are or have been working on, you do not need to guess. They have been completely open about it, even months and months in advance;
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/archived-features.62/
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/roadmap.59/
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For that matter, would love proof everyone you accuse is actually cheating.

Cheating, at least the outright hacking kind, is a far lesser problem than the others I mentioned, I'm not sure why you singled it out.

And this is one of the few people I have ever accused of hacking:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19ijpt_planetside2-2014-01-10-20-40-34-73_videogames
The others were equally obvious: a flying MAX, a few 600kph (sustained) galaxies, and a couple of people teleporting around rapidly that clearly weren't dsync issues.

The bigger issue has to do with things like people switching factions when things do no go their way and TKing those who were successful against their main characters; 4th factioning, spying, and exploiting a multititude of bugs (clipping into areas you can see/fire out of but not into, or firing through shields by moving beyond their render distance).

None of my accusations are anything but crystal clear cases of abuse. When I see someone shoot down a hostile Reaver piloted by "[QRY]Rudelord" with a burster MAX, and about 90 seconds later get TKed repeatedly by his VS alt "crudelord", it's pretty damn obvious what's going on.
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A lot of the things I do get me accused of cheating, because I play the silent light assault. Silenced weapons, maxed JJ and Ammo belt, crossbow, sneaking around in high or out of the way places, behind enemy lines, etc. I've killed the same people many times over without moving an inch. That isn't cheating.

I am quite honestly offended that you could see my post as even hinting that this sort of thing was remotely what I was speaking of.
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Extremely rarely do I see anyone do anything I can't do myself with enough luck.

I'm not talking about people doing the impossible. I'm talking about people doing the obviously unintended.

Allowing people to have multiple characters of different factions on the same server was a first class screw up on SOE's part, because there are people that abuse the snot out of it.
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So exactly what kind of "cheating" do you see?

Exploiting bugs or features in the game to be complete bastards, mostly.
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As for what they are or have been working on, you do not need to guess. They have been completely open about it, even months and months in advance;
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/archived-features.62/
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/roadmap.59/

Not sure how this is relevant to what I said. I'm well aware of the roadmaps.

I'm saying that the sum of each and ever one of these changes amount to piss. The game is not better or more fun than when I started playing almost a year ago. The real issues have not been, and likely will never be, addressed...hence my disillusionment.
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Invincibility?

Already showed you that one. I believed the guy in the Prowler when he said that his vehicle spawned like that, and that it was a bug in the game that made it invincible. However, he still used it, exploiting the bug and thus cheating.
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Would love proof that there is nothing done about cheaters.

This is easy to come by. Find a credible accusation of abuse, then see if the player is still in game a week or a month later. Many, if not most, still are.

https://www.planetside2.com/players/#!/5428153774131058641

That's the exploiter above. Hasn't played in a while, but he was active for eight days after I recorded that video, when about two hundred people reported him for rampaging around in an invincible tank for two hours and significantly disrupting an alert.

I'm fairly certain he was never banned.
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For that matter, would love proof everyone you accuse is actually cheating.

Cheating, at least the outright hacking kind, is a far lesser problem than the others I mentioned, I'm not sure why you singled it out.

And this is one of the few people I have ever accused of hacking:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19ijpt_planetside2-2014-01-10-20-40-34-73_videogames
The others were equally obvious: a flying MAX, a few 600kph (sustained) galaxies, and a couple of people teleporting around rapidly that clearly weren't dsync issues.

The bigger issue has to do with things like people switching factions when things do no go their way and TKing those who were successful against their main characters; 4th factioning, spying, and exploiting a multititude of bugs (clipping into areas you can see/fire out of but not into, or firing through shields by moving beyond their render distance).

None of my accusations are anything but crystal clear cases of abuse. When I see someone shoot down a hostile Reaver piloted by "[QRY]Rudelord" with a burster MAX, and about 90 seconds later get TKed repeatedly by his VS alt "crudelord", it's pretty damn obvious what's going on.
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A lot of the things I do get me accused of cheating, because I play the silent light assault. Silenced weapons, maxed JJ and Ammo belt, crossbow, sneaking around in high or out of the way places, behind enemy lines, etc. I've killed the same people many times over without moving an inch. That isn't cheating.

I am quite honestly offended that you could see my post as even hinting that this sort of thing was remotely what I was speaking of.
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Extremely rarely do I see anyone do anything I can't do myself with enough luck.

I'm not talking about people doing the impossible. I'm talking about people doing the obviously unintended.

Allowing people to have multiple characters of different factions on the same server was a first class screw up on SOE's part, because there are people that abuse the snot out of it.
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So exactly what kind of "cheating" do you see?

Exploiting bugs or features in the game to be complete bastards, mostly.
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As for what they are or have been working on, you do not need to guess. They have been completely open about it, even months and months in advance;
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/archived-features.62/
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?forums/roadmap.59/

Not sure how this is relevant to what I said. I'm well aware of the roadmaps.

I'm saying that the sum of each and ever one of these changes amount to piss. The game is not better or more fun than when I started playing almost a year ago. The real issues have not been, and likely will never be, addressed...hence my disillusionment.
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Invincibility?

Already showed you that one. I believed the guy in the Prowler when he said that his vehicle spawned like that, and that it was a bug in the game that made it invincible. However, he still used it, exploiting the bug and thus cheating.
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Would love proof that there is nothing done about cheaters.

This is easy to come by. Find a credible accusation of abuse, then see if the player is still in game a week or a month later. Many, if not most, still are.

https://www.planetside2.com/players/#!/5428153774131058641

That's the exploiter above. Hasn't played in a while, but he was active for eight days after I recorded that video, when about two hundred people reported him for rampaging around in an invincible tank for two hours and significantly disrupting an alert.

I'm fairly certain he was never banned.

I'm not going to try and break that up, but I'll try to address most of the points.


Unless I bold something I'm not trying to single it out. It was just separated from the rest due to relevancy and was done first, thus was the 1st thing up there. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. My problem is I've seen a lot of people go overboard and yell "Hacks" or "Cheater" at people who are just getting very lucky, particularly after they get frustrated.


I'll be honest, if I get too frustrated on one of my chars, I will move to another. Sometimes when Connery is the only active server (they never sleep, I'm telling ya) I'll even switch off from my VS and NC on the same server. That's not a particularly big problem in and of itself in my opinion, though TKing to get the edge is.

While it is annoying however, it's nearly impossible for it to actually change the tide of war in Planetside. In order for him to be there to hurt you, he has to leave his own team, making them put up less resistance. If you are in such a position that you are easily accessible by the 4THer but not by a medic, you are almost certainly in a no-win situation anyway.


Don't be offended. The grand majority of the time that's exactly the kind of thing people are speaking of. I myself call BS on many things because I don't see how it could have happened, and most of the time won't learn until later.

I run under the assumption that everyone can make that mistake, and that the chance multiplies the more angry someone gets. It isn't a personal slight, I assure you.


I do not think allowing it was a mistake. But I do think that allowing them to switch between chars on the same server but different factions should have a limitation. Maybe a 5-10 minute delay before being allowed to do so.


Fair enough.


The game itself is changing slowly. The 4th continent is getting ready, cont locks and battle islands are after that. The energy and resource system along with supply lines and as a result base sieges are in the works due to the lattice system.

Planetside 1 was literal years of development to get where it was as well. Planetside 2 probably won't be completely done for just as long. Depending on what you consider to be "real issues", it could simply be that that is what Planetside is. I find being 1-hit by an SMG at 50 meters in COD to be total BS, but that is what the game is.

If I were forced to compare Planetside 2 as it is in it's current state on the Live server to what it was during late beta, I can easily and truthfully say that I feel the game has been moving forward as a whole, and a lot of the issues are getting fixed over time. I also look forward to many of the planned changes.


And for the last few, I need to be an absolute jerk and show my colors as a moderator. For a point of view that is, not any form of threat. I can't do that outside the game servers anyway.

Instant banning is almost always a big no-no. As incredibly annoying as it can be, there is a reason for the warning/punishment system put in place just about everywhere. Even here on OCN they use the infraction system. In a game like Planetside, especially ones where people do pay money, it's even more political.

What I see looking at that player's page and their killboard is that they were a jerk by exploiting the tank once, and otherwise is actually a very bad/noob player. They made a single (though big) problem, and while the player was a jerk, the problem was likely SOE's fault to begin with. While I would obviously be very sorry he caused such a disruption, as a moderator, I would definitely give him a warning or lesser punishment first. I do not see any indication that he continued any abusive or cheating behavior after that instance.

As a player, I can see why the the decisions I would make as a moderator would be annoying, but on the same token I know what happens if I would have let the towns people burn every witch. I have no doubt people are jerks, but to say they are doing nothing means that the same people are constantly exploiting and never getting punished for it at all. At least for Prowler guy, I see one screw up, not days of it.

The likely reason he stopped at all, or lost his tank, is probably because a moderator saw all your reports and took it away and gave him a warning. He did not stop playing after leaving/losing the tank, he went on to play without it for another half hour.

This is not evidence that he was not punished, this is evidence that you do not feel they punished him enough. Moderation walks a very fine line on how hard to punish someone... Players who feel cheated will demand more than is right, and if they give in to that they will gain a reputation for being overly harsh, driving yet more players away. Obviously the other side of the fence that you are on is that if they do not punish enough, or publicly enough, they may be accused of doing nothing at all and people leaving for that reason.

They could very well be too soft, but when I hear of glitchers/hackers/cheaters, I almost never hear the same name used often. This makes me personally feel that they are in fact doing something.

My two cents, from a moderator's point of view.


And hopefully that covered everything.
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feel free to add me, my character list is in my sig.
you can check these outfits out, they are active without being zergy, like EXE. they all use VOIP for communications in squad.

NC: Devil Dogs
TR: Terran Republic Guard
VS: The Empyrean Divine
the VS isn't as large as the others, but there is usually close to a squad on at most hours I play.

Hey, a fellow TED! Greetings!
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My problem is I've seen a lot of people go overboard and yell "Hacks" or "Cheater" at people who are just getting very lucky, particularly after they get frustrated.

False accusations are certainly rampant, and are part of the problem. SOE should be banning people who habitually waste GM time like this.

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While it is annoying however, it's nearly impossible for it to actually change the tide of war in Planetside. In order for him to be there to hurt you, he has to leave his own team, making them put up less resistance. If you are in such a position that you are easily accessible by the 4THer but not by a medic, you are almost certainly in a no-win situation anyway.

There are times when population is fairly low that a few competent players can certainly change the tide of a battle or alert.

Some of the repeat abusers are those sorts of people. The outfit I mentioned is full of skilled pilots...who are also extremely sore losers. They will dominate the air war and if anyone dares to counter them effectively, a few of them will switch factions and TK those that were fighting them until they get weapons lock, at which point they return to their primaries. This has been going on for months, and I have personally see at least three cases of them doing stuff like C4ing burster maxes, flak turrets, and skyguards for shooting or killing their primary characters.

To the best of my knowledge, none of them have been disciplined for this. And this outfit is certainly not alone in this sort of abusive, exploitative, metagaming; they are but one example.
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Don't be offended. The grand majority of the time that's exactly the kind of thing people are speaking of.

Fair enough.

I do give people the benefit of the doubt, and have myself been recipient of many unfounded accusations.
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I do not think allowing it was a mistake. But I do think that allowing them to switch between chars on the same server but different factions should have a limitation. Maybe a 5-10 minute delay before being allowed to do so.

I'm not sure such a short cool down would serve purpose, and would prefer that accounts be limited to one faction per server, but I can see room for compromise.
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If I were forced to compare Planetside 2 as it is in it's current state on the Live server to what it was during late beta, I can easily and truthfully say that I feel the game has been moving forward as a whole, and a lot of the issues are getting fixed over time. I also look forward to many of the planned changes.

This is certainly a subjective issue, but I have always felt that problems with the player base itself greatly overshadowed any lack of content or mild imbalances in that content, yet the former is the area where the least effort seems to be made.

Actually, SOE's treatment of PS2, namely in areas like cert gain and stat tracking, are significant contributors to people doing crappy things. Not that I'd ever hold the individuals committing the actions blameless, but SOE introducing a limited, valuable, resource, that encourages all sorts of a abuse, and then making a big deal out of the presentation of stats and that sort of competitiveness is not good for the game.

I've noticed these sorts of things prompting similar disagreeable behavior in other franchises; Battlefield, for example. Battlefield 1942 was one of my favorite games, and though there were some TKers and cheaters from time to time, I never saw the sort of crap I've seen in Battlefield 2 and beyond. No one didn't crappy things to other players or gamed any system to stat pad or rank up in Battlefield 1942, but I can recall being repeatedly killed and then revived by an enemy assault and friendly medic, who were in the same squad/clan/whatever so they could stat pad. This sort of crap is just unheard of in games without ranks or stat tracking; you have the most pure gameplay experience possible, with everyone on the most even footing possible, and no conflicting motivations coming between honest contest. I miss this.
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Instant banning is almost always a big no-no. As incredibly annoying as it can be, there is a reason for the warning/punishment system put in place just about everywhere. Even here on OCN they use the infraction system. In a game like Planetside, especially ones where people do pay money, it's even more political.

I realize this. However, I think their reluctance to take a harder line against these players is going to cost them more in the long run than a few people being banned for

SOE in particular seems to play favorites with subscribers and popular streamers. The case of The Enclave, also on Mattherson, is good example of this. If I had done a fraction of the things their outfit leader did, I'd have been banned in a few days, not allowed to perpetuate a toxic atmosphere for the better part of a year.
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This is not evidence that he was not punished, this is evidence that you do not feel they punished him enough. Moderation walks a very fine line on how hard to punish someone... Players who feel cheated will demand more than is right, and if they give in to that they will gain a reputation for being overly harsh, driving yet more players away. Obviously the other side of the fence that you are on is that if they do not punish enough, or publicly enough, they may be accused of doing nothing at all and people leaving for that reason.

True.

Clearly, I'm of the mind that they are not doing enough, and this, far more than any technical or balance issues, is preventing me from putting more money in the game or becoming a subscriber.
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They could very well be too soft, but when I hear of glitchers/hackers/cheaters, I almost never hear the same name used often. This makes me personally feel that they are in fact doing something.

There are notable exceptions. Some mentioned often enough to be found in general search engines, with complaints stretching over months.
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My two cents, from a moderator's point of view.


And hopefully that covered everything.

I appreciate the comments.
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Hey, a fellow TED! Greetings!
Hey! how goes it?
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Hello! I just got into playing this last week and its scratching my itch for a future shooter, but I'd love my roomate to play with me so we can wreck. tongue.gif

But the rig he's using is my Frank 1.0 in my sig
its a Q6600(stock) with a gt430(700->850OC)

the gt430 handles this game like a champ on medium settings, getting a constant 30+fps, just as it did in bf3, but my CPU is getting overloaded and causing the occasional hiccup. I know this is a CPU intensive game, and I've tried lowering all the settings on the lowest with no avail.
Hes not picky about performance, anything above 20fps for him is fine but the hiccup was getting on his nerves because it would happen at very annoying times, if he was running around a corner or he just gets to the top of a mountain and a giant base fills his screen giving that hang for a second then going away.

the reason Im thinking its the CPU is because its an intensive game, the GPU load almost never even hit 100%, and the CPU load was always 80%+, the ram could also be a factor, its using 2.5/3gb while gaming.

Does anyone know of any tweaks/configs/etc that would help his performance? I've already unlocked the cores, and sadly I cant OC because its on an OEM board, the problem would be gone if I could OC haha.tongue.gif
     
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Try reducing view distance/render distance.
I haven't played in a while but I think that is still an option.

For infantry fights you don't need max render distance.
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Try reducing view distance/render distance.
I haven't played in a while but I think that is still an option.

For infantry fights you don't need max render distance.

Yea I saw that and FOV, I didn't want to lower those if I had to. My friend likes to snipe so the distance is nice, but I'll see if dropping it helps.

still up for any suggestions
     
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I have almost a thousand hours in Planetside 2, and I have seen very few clear cheaters. There are a lot of good players out there that I believe are honest; most of the cheaters I have seen are blatant, like ESF's flying around at double the normal speed and doing yaw turns that are much faster than what an ESF can actually do. I haven't seen any cheater in months probably.

I'm not sure why Rudelord was TKing; was he TKing you or someone else? He is one of the best (if not the best) pilots in the game, so he hardly needs to teamswitch to get kills. There are under a dozen people in the game that can beat him 1v1. However, many of the pilots on Mattherson are pretty much free agents with little to no faction loyalty; QRY, N, and TGWW (the NC, TR and VS "ace" outfits) all have alts on every faction and switch all the time depending on who is currently online.
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