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Suppose someone tells you while you're getting off the subway "Yo dude! Meet me at my place on 316 East 15th at 8 for a rager!" And you hear 315. Ok, so you try 315, nothing. It's wasting your time as the end user to go back, try another address, and hope something comes up. And then again, what if you do 315, see the address come up, and you're miles from the party? Honest mistake I'm sure, but it doesn't help that you waste an hour trying to get to the right place. Even the Appleinsider notes there are some addresses in SF that don't work. And how does it do for walking, and mass transit directions? I can go on my phone, hit up the G Maps, and boom, bus directions - where to catch a bus, what stop to get off at, how to walk to the destination (overkill perhaps, but whatev). I have little time to waste when I'm on the go (running errands, looking for restaurants, libraries, what say you), certainly not enough time to deal with erroneous maps.

Basically, it's either sufficient or its not. For me.. no. For some? Perhaps it's good enough. This is OCN and you'll find a lot of people who aren't satisfied with "good enough".. for something like maps, yes, I'm a big map snob.
Yeah, and in that scenario (which doesn't sound very likely to me) you'd have to search again with "Manhattan" at the end of it to get the address.

There are no transit directions in Apple Maps. It relies on integrating third party apps from the App Store for those directions, and I've yet to see that demonstrated.

Apple Maps has plenty of flaws right now, but a lot of its "problems" are greatly exaggerated.
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Except that's not how the address location works. It doesn't know if there is anything there; that would require too much information to store. Instead, the location given by the software is based upon the street name, and then where the number would put you since the number illustrates the number of blocks from the origin street in the city, and the side of the street the house sits on. Ergo, it doesn't matter if there is anything actually there; what matters is that Apple Maps apparently doesn't know where that address would be, which still points out a flaw in the system. So really, AppleInsider is misleading people - not Motorola. And it's not like Apple or their fans have any ground to stand on when it comes to misleading marketing ploys, anyway. AppleInsider is either ignorant, or purposely misleading their readers. Either way, it takes away from what little credibility they had to begin with.
AppleInsider isn't misleading people, Motorola is. They made the fake ad. If you search for "315 E 15th St NY Manhattan" it finds the park just like Google Maps does. It's only if you drop the "Manhattan" part of the search does it instead take you to the other address.
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I don't see this as a problem since Apple did the same with Windows a few years ago.
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Suppose someone tells you while you're getting off the subway "Yo dude! Meet me at my place on 316 East 15th at 8 for a rager!" And you hear 315. Ok, so you try 315, nothing. It's wasting your time as the end user to go back, try another address, and hope something comes up. And then again, what if you do 315, see the address come up, and you're miles from the party? Honest mistake I'm sure, but it doesn't help that you waste an hour trying to get to the right place. Even the Appleinsider notes there are some addresses in SF that don't work. And how does it do for walking, and mass transit directions? I can go on my phone, hit up the G Maps, and boom, bus directions - where to catch a bus, what stop to get off at, how to walk to the destination (overkill perhaps, but whatev). I have little time to waste when I'm on the go (running errands, looking for restaurants, libraries, what say you), certainly not enough time to deal with erroneous maps.

Basically, it's either sufficient or its not. For me.. no. For some? Perhaps it's good enough. This is OCN and you'll find a lot of people who aren't satisfied with "good enough".. for something like maps, yes, I'm a big map snob.
Yeah, and in that scenario (which doesn't sound very likely to me) you'd have to search again with "Manhattan" at the end of it to get the address.

There are no transit directions in Apple Maps. It relies on integrating third party apps from the App Store for those directions, and I've yet to see that demonstrated.

Apple Maps has plenty of flaws right now, but a lot of its "problems" are greatly exaggerated.
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Except that's not how the address location works. It doesn't know if there is anything there; that would require too much information to store. Instead, the location given by the software is based upon the street name, and then where the number would put you since the number illustrates the number of blocks from the origin street in the city, and the side of the street the house sits on. Ergo, it doesn't matter if there is anything actually there; what matters is that Apple Maps apparently doesn't know where that address would be, which still points out a flaw in the system. So really, AppleInsider is misleading people - not Motorola. And it's not like Apple or their fans have any ground to stand on when it comes to misleading marketing ploys, anyway. AppleInsider is either ignorant, or purposely misleading their readers. Either way, it takes away from what little credibility they had to begin with.
AppleInsider isn't misleading people, Motorola is. They made the fake ad. If you search for "315 E 15th St NY Manhattan" it finds the park just like Google Maps does. It's only if you drop the "Manhattan" part of the search does it instead take you to the other address.
Again, it is hypocritical to complain if you are an Apple fan, but reading the comments there I can see why no one is smart enough to care. And both you and the article conveniently neglect the fact that a tourist isn't necessarily going to know which borough they are in. If the person knows the location enough to know the address is a park (which still is WRONG to not know) then clearly they don't need to be using Apple Maps.
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Again, it is hypocritical to complain if you are an Apple fan, but reading the comments there I can see why no one is smart enough to care.
It's not hypocritical.
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And both you and the article conveniently neglect the fact that a tourist isn't necessarily going to know which borough they are in.
That's a valid point, they might not know that.
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If the person knows the location enough to know the address is a park (which still is WRONG to not know) then clearly they don't need to be using Apple Maps.
Yes I suppose if you were going to go to that park, Google Maps would pull the correct result up and Apple Maps would take you to Brooklyn. But if you know the location, you could simply search for it in Manhattan.

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I'm off for the night.
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Intentional or not we don't and probably won't know. I have put in a wrong address into a gps before and a few of them still show it as real, but the idea is that they get me to the road/area that I want to be considering that the GPS data is not always 100%. The main point of the ad here is that the iPhone 5 didn't even come close, not that it couldn't find an non-existent address.
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i think you guys are mistaken if you think motorola didnt know that wasnt a real address, you think they just picked a random address and hoped that apple maps would get it wrong? i think the entire point of the ad was to show that the GPS can find a location based on where it should be even if it doesnt really exist. steelbom is right though, if you put it in as manhattan it comes up with the same location, but the fact that it just sends you to an address that has no relevance to the one you typed in without typing a specific area is ridiculous. regarding apple maps it doesnt just "have some issues" its outright terrible .
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I'm not sure how anyone is reading this article and getting the impression that it's saying that Apple Maps has no problems, or is superior to Google Maps.
All this article does is point out Motorola's fake ad, and how some of the problems of Apple Maps have been "exaggerated".
That's hardly the same. We're talking about minor photoshopping of a video playing on an iPad, to an ad portraying Motorola's smartphone as better because it can find something which doesn't exist, whereas Apple Maps actually finds the correct location.

Apple is NOTORIOUS for fallacies and exaggerations in their ads. Then again, so is every ad and infomercial you see on television/youtube. Just, you know, not to the crafty and ridiculous extent that Apple is. Apple is a lying piece of...well, I always replaced the word in my vocabulary with "situation" for various reasons. So, Apple is a lying piece of situation. However, most companies do this.
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I'd care more if the false address didn't highlight a real problem.

If this ad made people falsely assume that google maps had problems, it'd be bad. But there are problems. Just sad they bothered faking.

Egg on their faces, but not devastating I don't think.
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I don't see this as a problem since Apple did the same with Windows a few years ago.

oh ya..those annoying mac ads-.-i facepalm everytime i see one
 
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well I guess they should sue somebody then....

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