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Here is my R4 Case(system in Sig), I want to replace all my current fans to cool all the components but especially the GPU region where I plan to SLI:

Colors:
Blue= Intake
Red= Exhaust
Green= 4 Pin Fan headers, total of 5, the top 2 are CPU headers, 3pin fans can only ran max RPM on these, 3pin fan are controllable via voltage by all other fan headers.

The Gigabyte Windforce Cooler exhausts most of its intake toward the side panel fan, whose approximate size I drew, the second GPU will go on the White PCIE slot and occupy expansion slots 5 &6, two GPU will be have 1 slot distance between them.

The cricle 2 is a PWM fan splitter I connected the rear fan header, the Rear and Side exhaust fans are plugged in there.

Current Fans:
Intake: 2X Stock Silent Series R2 Fans 69 CFM @ 1000 rpm, controlled via a 3 speed controller(capable of 3 fans only plugged in 2),
Exhaust: 2X Xigma tech XLF-1454 fans 63.5 CFM @1000 rpm, 16 dba, controlled via the PWM fan splitter through the mobo header
Cooler: Phantek PH-TC14PE, 2X PH-140 78 CFM @1300 rpm 19 dba, controlled via a PWN fan splitter through one of the two mobo CPU header.

Current Fan mounts:

Front 2X140mm(can only accept 139X139 or 140X140 fans)
Bottom, Side & Rear 1X 140 or 1X 120(room for special fans like TY-141 on bottom or Rear, not side because of sound abosrbing material in the way)
Top(currently sealed for sound reduction) Room for 2X 140mm fan, only 140X140 or 139X139 mounting holes available.

Current considering the following fans:
Silverstone Air penetrator AP141, This fan seem to be highly rated for its air channeling ability, seem to be a great intake fan, and in this HTL review it dramatically reduced the temperature in a Define XL case(Benchmarks 1 & 4).

TY-140 Seem to be an excellent PWM 140mm fan

I plan on getting 4-5 fans(current slots and either bottom intake or top-rear exhaust), if you have experience with good 140mm fans and air cooling SLI GPUs like mine or Define series fan mod please let me know.

Need fan & fan location suggestions with the following priorities:
1. All 140mms(prefer quiet fans with good airflow)
2. Good Airflow(Air channeling optional but prefered for intake fans)
3. Quiet(don't have to be silent)
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I'm partial to TY-140/141/143 fans myself and love my R2.

If I had a R4 with no fans I would figure out a way to use all TY-140/141/143 fans and replace PH-F140TS with TY-140/141/143 fans. My Phanteks came without PWM adapter so I installed it with TY-140 fans. Switched to F140TS when adapter arrived... for long enough to find out F140TS were louder, CPU temps rose and Northbridge temps rose... TY-140s back on. I have red cooler and TY-143s colour matches nicely, so when mate put white fans on his SA SB-E and offered me the TY-143s... wink.gif TY-143 is same as TY-140/141 in both sound and airflow up to rated 1300rpm... The extra 1200rpm is like hitting the nitrous switch biggrin.gif I expect TY-143 fans to be available very soon. They are selling in America and Russia as we speak and have been available in far east for months.

Plug all fans into 2x Gelid PWM splitters using CPU fan using CPU fan as master to motherboard PWM fan socket or a combination of CPU and GPU as master. (I use 2x PWM splitters w/CPU master on all of my fans)

May be able to mount front fans on back of stock R4 mounting frame?

I suggest raising case to about 50mm so bottom fans have good airflow. If setting on floor put it on a caster base like in my avatar.

My case idles at 700rpm; 60-85% CPU is 850-950rpm; 100% CPU is 1000-1050rpm. 920 @ 3.55Ghz.... need to OC for more heat! biggrin.gif

I am about to mod my R2 to use all TY-140 fans. thumb.gif
Edited by doyll - 9/28/12 at 12:03am
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I'm partial to TY-140/141/143 fans myself and love my R2.
If I had a R4 with no fans I would figure out a way to use all TY-140/141/143 fans and replace PH-F140TS with TY-140/141/143 fans. My Phanteks came without PWM adapter so I installed it with TY-140 fans. Switched to F140TS when adapter arrived... for long enough to find out F140TS were louder, CPU temps rose and Northbridge temps rose... TY-140s back on. I have red cooler and TY-143s colour matches nicely, so when mate put white fans on his SA SB-E and offered me the TY-143s... wink.gif TY-143 is same as TY-140/141 in both sound and airflow up to rated 1300rpm... The extra 1200rpm is like hitting the nitrous switch biggrin.gif I expect TY-143 fans to be available very soon. They are selling in America and Russia as we speak and have been available in far east for months.
Plug all fans into 2x Gelid PWM splitters using CPU fan using CPU fan as master to motherboard PWM fan socket or a combination of CPU and GPU as master. (I use 2x PWM splitters w/CPU master on all of my fans)
May be able to mount front fans on back of stock R4 mounting frame?
I suggest raising case to about 50mm so bottom fans have good airflow. If setting on floor put it on a caster base like in my avatar.
My case idles at 700rpm; 60-85% CPU is 850-950rpm; 100% CPU is 1000-1050rpm. 920 @ 3.55Ghz.... need to OC for more heat! biggrin.gif
I am about to mod my R2 to use all TY-140 fans. thumb.gif

Thanks for the suggestion, I orginally thought 141 and 143 were not available here in the US however I found them on frozenCPU.com. The problem is that they would require a bit of modding to fit on my 14PE(you did mention you have to make mounting strip adaptors(the rubber stuff) yourself when we discussed this in the 14PE topic. At any rate The TYs are very good options for the Bottom, Rear and Side (might need to cut some sound proof material to make room since the side grill is exactly 140X140.

The Front is a no go though, The fans are mounted on a dust filtered fan tray that is 280X140 thus making mounting any fan wider than 140 impossible,also the 4 pin TY fans have to plug into the motherboard headers themselves and I am not sure whether the wire is long enough.
Edited by sherlock - 9/28/12 at 6:21am
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The only thing I did to install TY fans on Phanteks was use some pull ties to make pins for the fan clips to hook into.
I used black one not clear like in example below.. and example is in backwards too. wink.gif Clip up the excess length.


When I get my R2 modified for TY fans in the front I will post some pics.
Edited by doyll - 9/28/12 at 7:18am
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The only thing I did to install TY fans on Phanteks was use some pull ties to make pins for the fan clips to hook into.
I used black one not clear like in example below.. and example is in backwards too. wink.gif Clip up the excess length.

Hmm, I have some Zipties/pullties/cableties(these are the same ones you use for cable management right?) laying around, will try experiment a bit on a PH140 and post photos here to see if that's up to par, if so I am replacing my PH-140s with TY-140/141/143(not sure about the extra 1200 since on my asus mobo they only offer 4 gears-> silence/standard/performance/Full RPM in the Bios and Fan Xpert2 is useless because their Probe utility is full of fail), not sure what rpm they would give a TY-143 in that range and anything above 1300 probably would be really loud even in an R4.

As far as case fans are concerned I think mounting TYs on rear and bottom slots would be a piece of cake, for the side fans I found some nice PWM splitters on Frozencpu.com(couldn't find your Gelid PWM splitter).
So currently I am planning:

2X TY-140/3s for CPU
2X TY 140/3s for Rear & Bot/Side
2X AP-141 for Front Intake/side/top
Edited by sherlock - 9/28/12 at 7:52am
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I had GTX 670 SLI with Gigabyte Windforce 3's in my Fractal Define R3 for awhile. With no side panel fan installed, temperatures between the two cards had around a 10-12c max delta between them. Once I added a side-panel fan, the temperatures dropped a bit on the cooler card, and the hotter card dropped to 1-3c different from the cooler card (so a very small difference between them at that point). With a decent OC I was running around 42% fan which was very quiet on these cards, and getting ~68c peak temps with ~65 average load, depending on game of course. The top card would generally run, as I mentioned 1-3c hotter at that point. Cores were around ~1200mhz for those temps, just for reference, with around +250 on the memory (~6500mhz QDR).

Currently, I run a single WindForce card at a high overclock with a vMod-bump BIOS and a curve set to ramp from between 48-54% depending on temps in the ~58-70c range, which is still quiet but you can hear the air moving if there is no game sound or music going. This keeps my card at an average temp of 66-67c, with occasional bumps to 68-69, while the highest I've seen at ~70-71c (which doesn't knock the speed down on me with this BIOS that I've seen) with a 24/7 OC of 1382mhz core and a healthy memory OC.

Hope this helps you a bit in your planning smile.gif. Note I used fairly low-flow fans throughout for my case fans, with fan controllers to drop their voltage/speeds, so my case was only what I'd describe as a low "medium" airflow for these numbers. I was going for quietness over ice-cold temperatures.
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Gelid makes the best PWM splitters I know of. Akasa are a-ka-ka

These look very similar to Gelid
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14982/cab-627/EK_4-Pin_PWM_4-Way_Splitter_Cable_-_Sleeved_Black_Black.html

You can see the black in this images. I don't think it looks bad. (click on image to inlarge)


The fan color is not what it appears in image. Flash changed it some.
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I had GTX 670 SLI with Gigabyte Windforce 3's in my Fractal Define R3 for awhile. With no side panel fan installed, temperatures between the two cards had around a 10-12c max delta between them. Once I added a side-panel fan, the temperatures dropped a bit on the cooler card, and the hotter card dropped to 1-3c different from the cooler card (so a very small difference between them at that point). With a decent OC I was running around 42% fan which was very quiet on these cards, and getting ~68c peak temps with ~65 average load, depending on game of course. The top card would generally run, as I mentioned 1-3c hotter at that point. Cores were around ~1200mhz for those temps, just for reference, with around +250 on the memory (~6500mhz QDR).
Currently, I run a single WindForce card at a high overclock with a vMod-bump BIOS and a curve set to ramp from between 48-54% depending on temps in the ~58-70c range, which is still quiet but you can hear the air moving if there is no game sound or music going. This keeps my card at an average temp of 66-67c, with occasional bumps to 68-69, while the highest I've seen at ~70-71c (which doesn't knock the speed down on me with this BIOS that I've seen) with a 24/7 OC of 1382mhz core and a healthy memory OC.
Hope this helps you a bit in your planning smile.gif. Note I used fairly low-flow fans throughout for my case fans, with fan controllers to drop their voltage/speeds, so my case was only what I'd describe as a low "medium" airflow for these numbers. I was going for quietness over ice-cold temperatures.

Thanks for your info, My current single +90/+400 Windforce was pulling 65C/61C(23-24 C ambient) on Heaven/Mark11 with 50% fan, I will clean the the GPU with some compressed air soon as it was running about 2-3 C hotter than a month ago. Just for reference your side panel fan was mounted as an INTAKE, correct?
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Gelid makes the best PWM splitters I know of. Akasa are a-ka-ka
These look very similar to Gelid
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14982/cab-627/EK_4-Pin_PWM_4-Way_Splitter_Cable_-_Sleeved_Black_Black.html
You can see the black in this images. I don't think it looks bad. (click on image to inlarge)


The fan color is not what it appears in image. Flash changed it some.

Nice find, thanks.
So Now I am leaning TY-143 on the CPU cooler & Rear+Side, Front with AP141 since they offer air channeling/3pin for fan controller and fit the 140mm width limit.
Edited by sherlock - 9/28/12 at 8:33am
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out 2-3 C hotter than a month ago. Just for reference your side panel fan was mounted as an INTAKE, correct?
Nice find, thanks.
So Now I am leaning TY-143 on the CPU cooler & Rear+Side, Front with AP141 since they offer air channeling/3pin for fan controller and fit the 140mm width limit.

Don't think AP141 is PWM is it? I will only use PWM fans because I can use PWM splitters to mass control them... guess I'm a control freak. biggrin.gif

I also like to balance them with similar rpm ranges.

Here's data for
Fan speeds of TY-140 & TY-143 on same PWM signal
TY-140 635 800 860 915 975 1010 1080 1110 1150 1215 1220 1270 1305 1330rpm
TY-143 605 800 950 1110 1260 1400 1550 1700 1850 2000 2150 2300 2400 2500rpm

TY-141 should have same rpm as TY-140. The only difference is bearing and blade shape. Both perform identical.
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Don't think AP141 is PWM is it? I will only use PWM fans because I can use PWM splitters to mass control them... guess I'm a control freak. biggrin.gif
I also like to balance them with similar rpm ranges.
Here's data for
Fan speeds of TY-140 & TY-143 on same PWM signal
TY-140 635 800 860 915 975 1010 1080 1110 1150 1215 1220 1270 1305 1330rpm
TY-143 605 800 950 1110 1260 1400 1550 1700 1850 2000 2150 2300 2400 2500rpm
TY-141 should have same rpm as TY-140. The only difference is bearing and blade shape. Both perform identical.

Thanks for the data, AP 141 isn't PWM but I have the front panel 3 speed(5/7/12) fan controller to manage them, 140X140 size of PWM front what I see is a bit meh with only Akasa with OK offers.
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