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Your use of a motherboard brand is insignificance compared to the vast majority around the world who use it. Asus boards are awesome, IF you can get a working on. Ya sure you may have never had a problem, my buddy never had a problem but that's 2 people who buy motherboards how often? Your personal experience doesn't constitute the amount of problems they have everywhere else.
I'm not flaming here, but you have to be either Naive or a fanboy to ignore the fact that Asus's quality department has taken a downfall over the years. I used to be a big Asus fan, their boards would still run even after being ran over by a semi truck. Now days they have more DOA's than they should be allowing.
People aren't hating on Asus because it's fun like hating Apple. People are hating on Asus because they could be doing a better job keeping their name as a positive rather than eh...maybe my board will work when I get it. Gigabyte has been stepping up their game over the years and they're up there with Asus now, and I don't see anywhere near close to the amount of DOA's and RMA's needed from Gigabyte.
However maybe it's just that Asus sells more motherboards than anyone else so their DOA's are more noticeable?
Again, I'm not flaming here, just throwing out my input.

The bolded part is extremely important. Asus has a really big market share so obviously you will see more horror stories about asus' products, it's just common sense.

Where are the numbers for the DOA rates though? I haven't seen any concrete proof of Asus boards having some significant troubles with quality. Proof? that's what we need to claim that the quality has taken a plunge. You can't just take a look at some threads on some forums because those are completely affected by trends etc.

There's also the crowd that knocks the whole asus brand because there have been some bad stories about their RMA department for NA. What I was saying that NA isn't the whole world. For large parts of Europe (for me example) you just send your mobo back to the retailer and you get a new one. A single bad RMA office doesn't make a whole brand bad.

Another point was the diversity of asus' high end products. Do you honestly think that GB, MSI, Asrock etc. have as diverse high end / enthusiast options for the platforms that we have at the moment? for both AMD and intel.
 
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post #152 of 264
From Gigabyte I would say ya, they do have a pretty good line for enthusiast boards.

I dunno much about their customer support. I'm in NA and I had to deal with them once and it was top notch. Got me sorted right away.
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post #153 of 264
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[Another point was the diversity of asus' high end products. Do you honestly think that GB, MSI, Asrock etc. have as diverse high end / enthusiast options for the platforms that we have at the moment? for both AMD and intel.

And that's all that's really worth mentioning from Asus, is their high-end stuff. I'd take a 50 dollar Asrock board over a 100 dollar Asus board any day. Asrock has the low-end to the middle-tier locked down with solid motherboards on both AMD and Intel platforms. Asus? No. Gibabyte? No. MSI? No. When you can buy an Asrock that does 99% of what an Asus board does for 50-200 bucks less than it's Asus equievilant, what's the better board?
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Well a Soundcard is superior to onboard. No serious gamer uses onboard, call it what you want no onboard matches a dedicated soundcard.
Secondly onboard LAN doesn't matter, your internet connection does. A super elite 1337 LAN won't change a terrible speed and or ping.
Dual Band Wifi/Bluetooth, you can chalk that one up. Not everyone uses CAT Cabled internet. But as a gamer, wireless makes no sense.
Fusion thermo, fancy name for some VRM Heatsinks, and made irrelevant. VRM's have come along way and need very little in the way of cooling.
Extreme Digi thingy, the OC Formular has Digital VRM's too.
Both boards are not for Tri CF/SLI, as 8X 4X 4X does not cut it. For Dual cards and a soundcard both are very good. I would go for color scheme and pricing if it was a dogfight between these two boards.
Neck and Neck.
ASUS's digital VRM is better than ASRock's. And unless you're going for some crazy overclocking, 8x 4x 4x shows very little difference compared to full 8x. Until we get the next generation GPUs anyway. But by then there will be new motherboards.

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The bolded part is extremely important. Asus has a really big market share so obviously you will see more horror stories about asus' products, it's just common sense.
Where are the numbers for the DOA rates though? I haven't seen any concrete proof of Asus boards having some significant troubles with quality. Proof? that's what we need to claim that the quality has taken a plunge. You can't just take a look at some threads on some forums because those are completely affected by trends etc.
There's also the crowd that knocks the whole asus brand because there have been some bad stories about their RMA department for NA. What I was saying that NA isn't the whole world. For large parts of Europe (for me example) you just send your mobo back to the retailer and you get a new one. A single bad RMA office doesn't make a whole brand bad.
Another point was the diversity of asus' high end products. Do you honestly think that GB, MSI, Asrock etc. have as diverse high end / enthusiast options for the platforms that we have at the moment? for both AMD and intel.
I really wish people were forced to take a statistics course. Everyone always sees the bad reports glorified for each company. And so far, Im not sure about Gigabyte, but ASUS has the best high end motherboards. They're just better quality, not even including the extra fancy things. And the BIOS is way better. Their software was always great.


Maybe ASUS and ASRock coming together will be a good thing. The best things from both of them.
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post #155 of 264
yes asus ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i hop it dos i have asrock and asus
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ASUS's digital VRM is better than ASRock's. And unless you're going for some crazy overclocking, 8x 4x 4x shows very little difference compared to full 8x. Until we get the next generation GPUs anyway. But by then there will be new motherboards.
I really wish people were forced to take a statistics course. Everyone always sees the bad reports glorified for each company. And so far, Im not sure about Gigabyte, but ASUS has the best high end motherboards. They're just better quality, not even including the extra fancy things. And the BIOS is way better. Their software was always great.
Maybe ASUS and ASRock coming together will be a good thing. The best things from both of them.


The one problem with this is we have no verifiable statistical data about RMAs for each MB company. THE ONE study done was a French Based Study in which some of the products didn't even sell 1000 which is not enough for a sample.


I wish someone would do this so we would know.
 
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Can't agree. I think Asrock BIOS is great......but I agree that most of their utility software is kinda gimmicky.
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ASUS's digital VRM is better than ASRock's. And unless you're going for some crazy overclocking, 8x 4x 4x shows very little difference compared to full 8x. Until we get the next generation GPUs anyway. But by then there will be new motherboards.
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Still won't affect 24/7 overclocks. Motherboards since LGA1156 still have done 8X 4X 4X.

I don't see it changing. Dual GPU's LGA1155 is the way to go, when you want more you will need LGA2011 as a Six core would help with 3-4 cards and more PCI-e Lanes.

Some games the load on my 2500k is high with CF 7870's. Getting 70-80% Usage in BC2 on the CPU.
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Still won't affect 24/7 overclocks. Motherboards since LGA1156 still have done 8X 4X 4X.
I don't see it changing. Dual GPU's LGA1155 is the way to go, when you want more you will need LGA2011 as a Six core would help with 3-4 cards and more PCI-e Lanes.
Some games the load on my 2500k is high with CF 7870's. Getting 70-80% Usage in BC2 on the CPU.


If you live near Microcenter a X79 system doesn't cost much more than a Z77 system - in fact it can be cheaper. I was at a Microcenter in Kansas City yesterday and they have a $170 X79 Gigabyte board and $229 i7 3820 that can be highly overclocked without issue since the base clock can be raised. Not to mention when you buy a X79 board and the 3820 you get $50 off for buying the combo - so you could get X79 board and a 3820 for $350 after tax. I got my board new + cpu new for $420 total. A 3770K alone tends to run $300 even at Microcenter. Lets not forget socket 1155 is being phased out in less than 6 months by LGA 1150 while Socket 2011 will be around for longer since Ivy Bridge-E isn't coming out until Q3-2013 and will still be on socket 2011.
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Asrock has mediocre customer support, maybe Asus can fix things up a little. Other than that, Asrock should be well off on its own.
    
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