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hello guys,

i have this reciver: lg ht503hs along with subwoofer and center speaker from his kit, and another 4 lg speakers.
i ordered from ebay cable that convert 2 rca to 1 3.5mm jack... will I be able to use all of the speakers?
and if not, my reciver also has an optical input, but my pc only has coax. so if i will buy this sound card: http://ksp.co.il/?select=.1082..34.&list=1&sort=3&glist=1&uin=4987&txt_search=&buy=&minprice=&maxprice=
(if you can't see its creative x-fi extreme audio)
and ill also get an optical cable, will i have 5.1? and if so, will i be able to play music from all of the speakers simultaneously?
thanks alot...
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Get the sound card + optical cable if that's the only digital input your receiver has (assuming it doesn't have a coax in, since your motherboard has coax out). If it supports HDMI inputs, use the HDMI out from your 6950.

Either way will work fine and you'll get 5.1 with movies that are encoded for it. With games / music you'll get 2.0, which you can up convert to Dolby Prologic still (technically 4.1 with a center, both surrounds as one, front left, front right).
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Get the sound card + optical cable if that's the only digital input your receiver has (assuming it doesn't have a coax in, since your motherboard has coax out). If it supports HDMI inputs, use the HDMI out from your 6950.
Either way will work fine and you'll get 5.1 with movies that are encoded for it. With games / music you'll get 2.0, which you can up convert to Dolby Prologic still (technically 4.1 with a center, both surrounds as one, front left, front right).

You right. my reciver has an optical in and hdmi out... so i guess the only way to get 5.1 is to buy this sound card + optical cable?

**** ive looked at this dolby prologic thing, and if i get it right, its not a software - its built in to some recivers, right?

and will i hear any difference in music if ill cahnge to optical?****
Edited by alonsegel - 9/29/12 at 2:26am
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Get the sound card + optical cable if that's the only digital input your receiver has (assuming it doesn't have a coax in, since your motherboard has coax out). If it supports HDMI inputs, use the HDMI out from your 6950.
Either way will work fine and you'll get 5.1 with movies that are encoded for it. With games / music you'll get 2.0, which you can up convert to Dolby Prologic still (technically 4.1 with a center, both surrounds as one, front left, front right).

You right. my reciver has an optical in and hdmi out... so i guess the only way to get 5.1 is to buy this sound card + optical cable?

Yes. And the only way you can get REAL 5.1 is if your media is encoded in 5.1. If you REALLY want to be 110% sure that you get the best possible solution, make sure the sound card of choice can process gaming and various audio codecs and output it in DTS or DD format via that optical line.

Some audio cards have software built in that can trans-code your audio as its going out, so that its coming out in DD or DTS (which is what you need on the receiver for 5.1 via optical). If its not encoded in DD or DTS, it'll only be 2.0 on the receiver, thus you'll never have your surround channels separated (they'll be mono). As I said, making sure the sound card can trans-code will fix that problem and give you a DD or DTS signal nearly all the time (unless you're listening to 2.0 sound on the PC).

Unfortunately I don't know exactly which cards have that option and which don't.
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Yes. And the only way you can get REAL 5.1 is if your media is encoded in 5.1. If you REALLY want to be 110% sure that you get the best possible solution, make sure the sound card of choice can process gaming and various audio codecs and output it in DTS or DD format via that optical line.
Some audio cards have software built in that can trans-code your audio as its going out, so that its coming out in DD or DTS (which is what you need on the receiver for 5.1 via optical). If its not encoded in DD or DTS, it'll only be 2.0 on the receiver, thus you'll never have your surround channels separated (they'll be mono). As I said, making sure the sound card can trans-code will fix that problem and give you a DD or DTS signal nearly all the time (unless you're listening to 2.0 sound on the PC).
Unfortunately I don't know exactly which cards have that option and which don't.
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Watch your DVDs in cinematic surround sound with PowerDVD software featuring DTS™ and Dolby Digital® -EX decoding (free download with purchase).
this was taken from Creative website on the specs of the sound card im planning to buy. so that means that ill have 5.1?
im kinda noob when it gets to audio..blushsmiley.gif
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Yes. And the only way you can get REAL 5.1 is if your media is encoded in 5.1. If you REALLY want to be 110% sure that you get the best possible solution, make sure the sound card of choice can process gaming and various audio codecs and output it in DTS or DD format via that optical line.
Some audio cards have software built in that can trans-code your audio as its going out, so that its coming out in DD or DTS (which is what you need on the receiver for 5.1 via optical). If its not encoded in DD or DTS, it'll only be 2.0 on the receiver, thus you'll never have your surround channels separated (they'll be mono). As I said, making sure the sound card can trans-code will fix that problem and give you a DD or DTS signal nearly all the time (unless you're listening to 2.0 sound on the PC).
Unfortunately I don't know exactly which cards have that option and which don't.
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this was taken from Creative website on the specs of the sound card im planning to buy. so that means that ill have 5.1?
im kinda noob when it gets to audio..blushsmiley.gif

That means that when playing a DVD or blu ray you'll have 5.1, yes. So long as your media player has the proper codec installed. When gaming on the other hand, you may or may not, it depends on if the sound card can transcode your game's audio into DD or DTS. If it cannot, then you can always settle for forced Dolby Prologic (4.1).
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That means that when playing a DVD or blu ray you'll have 5.1, yes. So long as your media player has the proper codec installed. When gaming on the other hand, you may or may not, it depends on if the sound card can transcode your game's audio into DD or DTS. If it cannot, then you can always settle for forced Dolby Prologic (4.1).


ok man. thnax alot for helping me understand all of this... but my last question:
I want all of the speakers to play simultaneously... even in music. i currently using logitech x-530 and in the onboard sound card( i think its something from realtek) i can set it to play all of the speakers together... so is there any way to do the same thing with my system without buying 1k recivers?
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Get the sound card + optical cable if that's the only digital input your receiver has (assuming it doesn't have a coax in, since your motherboard has coax out). If it supports HDMI inputs, use the HDMI out from your 6950.
Either way will work fine and you'll get 5.1 with movies that are encoded for it. With games / music you'll get 2.0, which you can up convert to Dolby Prologic still (technically 4.1 with a center, both surrounds as one, front left, front right).

You right. my reciver has an optical in and hdmi out... so i guess the only way to get 5.1 is to buy this sound card + optical cable?

**** ive looked at this dolby prologic thing, and if i get it right, its not a software - its built in to some recivers, right?

and will i hear any difference in music if ill cahnge to optical?****

I do apologize for missing this question (and for double posting if I do doh.gif)

Absolutely ANY receiver out there has a "Dolby Prologic" mode. What this does is take a 2 channel signal (just Left / Right), and up converts it into surround sound with a front left, front right, center channel, and mono (1) surround channel which gets split into BOTH of your rear speakers. The difference between this and Dolby Digital or DTS is digital has "stereo" surround channels (meaning a separated left and right in the surround instead of them both acting as one speaker).

As such, its essentially "4.1" in so many words (Dolby Prologic). It's a way of forcing surround sound on, with things that aren't meant to have it.....such as most music.
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That means that when playing a DVD or blu ray you'll have 5.1, yes. So long as your media player has the proper codec installed. When gaming on the other hand, you may or may not, it depends on if the sound card can transcode your game's audio into DD or DTS. If it cannot, then you can always settle for forced Dolby Prologic (4.1).


ok man. thnax alot for helping me understand all of this... but my last question:
I want all of the speakers to play simultaneously... even in music. i currently using logitech x-530 and in the onboard sound card( i think its something from realtek) i can set it to play all of the speakers together... so is there any way to do the same thing with my system without buying 1k recivers?

Yes, using exactly what you planned on will work fine. In music with your Logitech's you're either using Dolby Prologic (forced surround sound) or 5 channel stereo, which any receiver can handle doing just fine.

The thing I'm talking about with DD and DTS is mostly for gaming and getting PROPER 5.1 out of your games. Movies that are encoded in DD or DTS will work fine. Music will work the same as it always has for you (either Dolby Prologic or 5ch stereo). Gaming....it depends on the sound card and the game. You might end up with Dolby Prologic, you might end up being able to trans code the game's surround sound audio out as a DD / DTS signal via your sound card (if it supports it).

The reason I keep bringing this up, is because Dolby Digital / DTS are 99% of the time, typically used in DVD's and blu rays, which is about the only way a receiver can handle a REAL 5.1 signal (most of the time). As such, if you're playing a game that supports 5.1, chances are...its not encoded in DD or DTS, but its made for analogue speakers like your Logitech's. Receivers work slightly different, so the new sound card has to output the proper signal to make it 100% proper.

All in all, it really doesn't matter and my ramblings are just ramblings. Dolby Prologic is fine, and most modern receivers are so darn good at hiding "fake" surround sound its hard to tell anyway.
Edited by pioneerisloud - 9/29/12 at 3:03am
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Also, before you buy the fake XFi....while it might be slightly more expensive, see if you can find this card in your local shops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132053

That exact card.

It seems to have the exact feature I'm talking about. Asus calls it "DTS CONNECT TECHNOLOGY".

EDIT:
The Xonar D1 also has it, and I found that card at the site you linked in the OP:
http://en.ksp.co.il/index.php?uin=7612
Edited by pioneerisloud - 9/29/12 at 3:09am
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2320 @ 3.1GHz MSI B75MA-E33 HIS HD7970 3GB @ 1050 / 1700, 1.17v Patriot 2x4GB DDR3-1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial MX100 256GB WD Green 2TB DVDRW Corsair H50 Push / Pull 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
NZXT 120mm fans strapped to stock 7970 cooler Windows 10 Pro Dell 3007WFP Dell 2007FP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 2007FP Cheap Toshiba (R.I.P. Ducky) PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKIII 950w Cheap Garbage (free) 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Yardsale Special 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
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60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
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Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2320 @ 3.1GHz MSI B75MA-E33 HIS HD7970 3GB @ 1050 / 1700, 1.17v Patriot 2x4GB DDR3-1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial MX100 256GB WD Green 2TB DVDRW Corsair H50 Push / Pull 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
NZXT 120mm fans strapped to stock 7970 cooler Windows 10 Pro Dell 3007WFP Dell 2007FP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 2007FP Cheap Toshiba (R.I.P. Ducky) PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKIII 950w Cheap Garbage (free) 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Yardsale Special 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post

Also, before you buy the fake XFi....while it might be slightly more expensive, see if you can find this card in your local shops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132053
That exact card.
It seems to have the exact feature I'm talking about. Asus calls it "DTS CONNECT TECHNOLOGY".
EDIT:
The Xonar D1 also has it, and I found that card at the site you linked in the OP:
http://en.ksp.co.il/index.php?uin=7612

but both of the cards you gave me doesnt have digital ports, arent they?
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i5-750 2.66 @ 3.3 1.14v gigabyte p55-us3l rev. 2 sapphire hd 6950 tramscend 2x2 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
seagate st3500412as 500gb optiarc DVD RW AD-5240 ATA scythe mugen 2 windows 7 ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG FLATRON W2042T razer lycosa seasonic m12ii-620w bronze modular haf 932 black painted 
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razer imperator razer goliathus medium size lg home theater system  sennheiser hd 595 headphones 
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i5 build
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-750 2.66 @ 3.3 1.14v gigabyte p55-us3l rev. 2 sapphire hd 6950 tramscend 2x2 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
seagate st3500412as 500gb optiarc DVD RW AD-5240 ATA scythe mugen 2 windows 7 ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG FLATRON W2042T razer lycosa seasonic m12ii-620w bronze modular haf 932 black painted 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
razer imperator razer goliathus medium size lg home theater system  sennheiser hd 595 headphones 
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