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I've emailed you three example profiles, one from F3, two from F4h. These are just a tiny sample of what settings I've tried.

I've also posted some screen shots in this album: http://www.overclock.net/g/a/786521/x79s-up5

Same results with both F3 and F4h (and every single other BIOS on Giagbyte's site as well as all of those available in the Tweaktown beta bios thread):

- No boot with 1.25x or any higher BCLK strap, regardless of settings, not even with severely underclocked CPU and DRAM multipliers.

- Severe throttling (100x44 drops as low as 95x36 in stress tests) using multiplier adjustments, regardless of current, wattage, or OCP limits.

- Even when OCing works, there is no POST with the stock 1.00x strap and ~100MHz BCLK, with any multiplier above 44x..

A few other annoying issues:

- F3 and earlier BIOS consistently reports incorrect CPU clock unless EIST is enabled, and then it only reports the correct clock for the turbo multiplier, even if the non turbo multiplier should be registering as 44x (or whatever). Disabling EIST reports 38x/32x regardless of actual multiplier.

- F4x BIOSes don't show overclocked speed at all in the BIOS.

- Disabling turbo in F4x BIOSes prevents any OCing at all. Any multiplier entered is revealed to be stock 32x in practice.

- Manual tRC adjustments in all BIOS versions are limited to 32. My memory typically needs 40-50 for it's highest practical OCs. Auto suffices for DDR3-1600, but not much more. Multiple other memory sub-timings missing.

- Default PWM slope on sys_fan_1 header is insufficient to start my NF-P12 from a cold boot. It just sits there and twitches, until I spin the fan manually with my finger, or completely disable PWM speed control.

- If Full screen logo is disabled, BIOS boot is so fast that there is almost no way to enter BIOS setup. This problem was compounded by the fact that my PS/2 keyboard (a Filco Majestouch) wasn't apparently detected until later in POST. I actually had to power down the system and use the clear CMOS button in order to get into the BIOS setup. I managed a crude work arround by always leaving the full screen logo enabled and plugging my keyboard into a USB port, but I should not have to do this.

Edit:

I've updated my system specs so you can see exactly what hardware I'm using.

Also, thanks for taking a look at this and communicating any relevant issues to Gigabyte.
Edited by Blameless - 10/9/12 at 8:00pm
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If I move to X79, this will probably be the board I will get. Unless other brands starting using c606.
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hey what if you on the advanced CPU speed tab, leave turbo stuff on auto, disable all power savings even EIST, and enable CPU PLL Overvoltage.

Max out all the 3d power settings for the CPU except switching frequency, just leave it on auto, set vcore on high or turbo.

Try this on f4h.

try this with airflow over the VRM see if it still downclocks.

Also the speed in BIOS, that doesn't matter, the reason is b/c the final CPU frequency isn't applied until windows loads.
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Microcenter sells these boards for dirt cheap and the reviews online seem to imply these UD5 boards have a bunch of issues. From your experience - is this true or false? The reason I ask is that I had the ability to pick one up @ Microcenter in Kansas for $170 but I decided not too because the reviews on newegg, NCIX and Tigerdirect where pretty bad.
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Just a couple notes, that ITE SuperIO controller is most likely what provides the PCI slots, not the chipset; Intel chipsets haven't provided native PCI since P55. Also, the SAS ports can function as SATA ports if you want them to, you don't HAVE to use them as SAS ports. wink.gif It's also worth mentioning that Intel would have used C606 (AKA Patsburg-D) as X79 but in their rush to beat AMD to a major release they neutered it to Patsburg-X and used that instead.
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Those are essentially the settings I was using originally.

Anyway, I just tried them again, and get the exact same results. As soon as heavy load is applied to the CPU, it throttles down to 3.6-3.9GHz.

It does not appear to be VRM temps. I have both side panels off an have a bare finger pressed firmly to the back VRM plate (which is a lot warmer than the VRM heatsink). Still throttling before it even warms up. After a little while it does get pretty hot, but I doubt the VRM itself can be more than 70-80C, even internally, If I can hold my finger on that plate without hurting myself.

I though it might be a reporting error in CPU-Z, but other programs show throttling as well, and performance matches the throttled speeds much more closely than what I have set. A ~35% OC should produce a ~30% performance boost in primarily CPU limited tasks (Prime95 bench, LinX GFLOPS, etc), Instead I'm seeing a 10% boost, which matches throttled speeds much better.

Edit: VRM is getting pretty warm now, and I've just added a 92mm fan over it to see if the throttling stops, but it doesn't seem to be changing.
Edited by Blameless - 10/9/12 at 8:29pm
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that is odd b/c i don't get throttling. All i could think of is some VRM throttling the frequency, temperature of the CPU itself? How are the CPu temperatures?

Also X79 platform has native PCI, unlike all the other most recent chipset from Intel. Usually like on Z77 when there is PCI it is provided by an iTE8892 which is a pci-e to pci controller, but a while ago I had this discussion with someone, and found buried deep in the X79 chipset was the availability of the PCI bus, it is kind of surprising actually with Intel talking about getting rid of PCI on 8 series, which they have already done on other platforms.
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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp View Post

Just a couple notes, that ITE SuperIO controller is most likely what provides the PCI slots, not the chipset; Intel chipsets haven't provided native PCI since P55. .

Ahem,

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post

that is odd b/c i don't get throttling. All i could think of is some VRM throttling the frequency, temperature of the CPU itself? How are the CPu temperatures?

Hottest core is hitting ~78C with current settings (and more voltage than it should need).

Fan is keeping VRM temps in check (not that it was any where near 125-135C before), but throttling hasn't changed.

http://i.imgur.com/sLdmt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CC9m4.jpg

What have you done to test for throttling?

I haven't heard this issue mentioned anywhere else either, but most reviews I've seen have been mostly C0 chips with a few C1s mixed in. I suppose this is understandable since reviewers will have tested many boards with the same CPU, but you'd figure someone (esp Gigabyte) would test with C2s since C2s are all that's being made, and are by far the most common stepping to get for new parts.
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hey about setting turbo mode to enable instead of auto?
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Samsung 128GB M.2 PCI-E 4x SSD Apotop 256GB SSD 1.82TB NAS Noctua NH-D15 with both fans 
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Win7 Pro Enermax 1000W 
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