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I haven't tried F4q yet, but even in previous BIOSes only one option ROM seems funtional at the same time. When I have the first six SATA ports set to RAID, the only way to manipulate the SAS port is in the OS.
I haven't had the chance to even test my SAS ports yet, being that I have been too busy troubleshooting other problems. What you are saying though is a further bug, because that means that SAS ports are not bootable if Intel ports are used, and vice versa. That's a definite problem. Can you confirm that this is the case and I will report it to Gigabyte?
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I've got my video array on the SAS ports, and they are absolutely not configurable in the RAID ROM if the SATA ports are also set to RAID.
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I've got my video array on the SAS ports, and they are absolutely not configurable in the RAID ROM if the SATA ports are also set to RAID.
Thanks for the update. I already submitted the issue to Gigabyte today. Also, one more GA-X79S-UP5 owner chimed in on my Tweaktown thread about the problems with this board and guess what, he's experiencing all of the same issues as you and I are experiencing.
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Looks like a lot of back reading for me here. I have the board sitting for the last month. frown.gif
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Thanks for the update. I already submitted the issue to Gigabyte today. Also, one more GA-X79S-UP5 owner chimed in on my Tweaktown thread about the problems with this board and guess what, he's experiencing all of the same issues as you and I are experiencing.

I would have mentioned it sooner, but I wasn't convinced it was a bug. The SAS ports work fine, you just can't manipulate volumes on them outside of the OS, which is admittedly annoying.

I think it's about time I registered at Tweaktown and put in my two cents, on both issues.

These obviously aren't isolated incidents, and obviously aren't caused by faulty hardware, yet Gigabyte's stance, at least in my dealings with them, is that no firmware problem exists.
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Looks like a lot of back reading for me here. I have the board sitting for the last month. frown.gif

If you haven't used the board yet, and can still get a refund on yours, I'd suggest you do so and save yourself a world of trouble.
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If you haven't used the board yet, and can still get a refund on yours, I'd suggest you do so and save yourself a world of trouble.
Yikes, its been a month but i'll try.
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I would have mentioned it sooner, but I wasn't convinced it was a bug. The SAS ports work fine, you just can't manipulate volumes on them outside of the OS, which is admittedly annoying.
I think it's about time I registered at Tweaktown and put in my two cents, on both issues.
These obviously aren't isolated incidents, and obviously aren't caused by faulty hardware, yet Gigabyte's stance, at least in my dealings with them, is that no firmware problem exists.
If you haven't used the board yet, and can still get a refund on yours, I'd suggest you do so and save yourself a world of trouble.
Heard back from Gigabyte on the RSTe/SAS RAID issue, specifically not being able to configure and run both at the same time...here is their response followed by my response...
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Originally Posted by Gigabyte Support 
Dear Customer,

Due to the limited shadow memory you cannot use both raid at the same time. Only one or the other.
As for the UEFI and Raid bios they are separate and cannot be controlled within the system bios but off the separate raid bios. Unfortunately how Intel design the board are different from other manufactures. Do note this is an Workstation/Desktop board as it will not offer the full capabilities of an true workstation board.
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Originally Posted by dejanh 
Hasn't the whole point of moving to UEFI been to remove the shadow memory restrictions? If shadow memory is a problem then the board should have been implemented with a larger EEPROM than the one currently on-board. Why was this not considered when it was clearly known that the C606 chipset is intended to provide RAID functionality on both the SATA (using RSTe RAID option ROM) and SAS (using SCU RAID option ROM) ports?

The amount of problems and oversights with this board is making me seriously question the design and quality control of your motherboards, and consequently my investment in this board.
The saga continues rolleyes.gif

I do recommend joining Tweaktown and posting there as well. The more visibility we give to this, the more likely the problems are to be fixed. It's how it always is...
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Hey so I actually did take this up the chain, things just take time, there is a new BIOS F4R which fixes the throttling issue for some CPUs but not all, that BIOS will come later. They said as they test out fully with other CPUs they will be added. So it might be a stepping thing as to which are solved and which are not, try it see if it is solved. I don't have a retail CPU, just the ES C1 stepping and I just tested it and there is no throttling i can make you a video if it inspires confidence if it doesn't work for you.

X79S-UP5 F4R
http://www.mediafire.com/?za75t7g9x19e78i

Now to answer some of the other complaints:
1. On X79 and Z77 and Z68 and P67, tRC is calculated by the chipset and cannot be higher than tRAS + tRP, that is why they don't let you take it higher, and if you do set it higher then the chipset will just default to tRAS+tRP just like if you take a setting too low. Intel does these things to simplify the BIOS, I asked the engineer, he said leave it on auto and it will goto the max it can.

2. Now about the RST rom, they said Intel wanted it this way as of recently, because they wanted to add smart response to X79 and thus a new ROM. However the engineer said they are working on adding both ROMs to the UEFI, this seems like a bigger issue for them than the throttling from the way things sounded, they said a new BIOS will be out soon.
Edited by Sin0822 - 11/14/12 at 8:41pm
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That's for the updates dejanh and Sin0822. I'll check out the new BIOS when I can get a chance.

To be honest, I'm not terribly concerned about the RAID ROM issue; I generally only have one or two boot volumes, and I do not need to put them on the SAS ports, so I'm ok with configuring those in the OS. Still, if there is a possible work around it would be nice.

Regarding tRC, I assume you mean IMC and not chipset, as the chipset shouldn't touch the memory. I have to admit, I'm still a little skeptical about what this engineer has stated. There are some X79 board that seem to allow tweaking increase of this timing past tRP + tRAS (evga boards, for example), and many XMP profiles attempt to set radically higher tRCs (not that XMP values are always optimal, but not off of them are worthless). Still, there are boards that seem to OC even large amounts of memory without issue, that do not have manual tRC control. So, your engineer may well be right.

I think I'll see if I can under clock my memory and run very tight timings, and see if the max manual value (32) is recognized or if it makes any difference.
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Hey so I actually did take this up the chain, things just take time, there is a new BIOS F4R which fixes the throttling issue for some CPUs but not all, that BIOS will come later. They said as they test out fully with other CPUs they will be added. So it might be a stepping thing as to which are solved and which are not, try it see if it is solved. I don't have a retail CPU, just the ES C1 stepping and I just tested it and there is no throttling i can make you a video if it inspires confidence if it doesn't work for you.
X79S-UP5 F4R
http://www.mediafire.com/?za75t7g9x19e78i
Now to answer some of the other complaints:
1. On X79 and Z77 and Z68 and P67, tRC is calculated by the chipset and cannot be higher than tRAS + tRP, that is why they don't let you take it higher, and if you do set it higher then the chipset will just default to tRAS+tRP just like if you take a setting too low. Intel does these things to simplify the BIOS, I asked the engineer, he said leave it on auto and it will goto the max it can.
2. Now about the RST rom, they said Intel wanted it this way as of recently, because they wanted to add smart response to X79 and thus a new ROM. However the engineer said they are working on adding both ROMs to the UEFI, this seems like a bigger issue for them than the throttling from the way things sounded, they said a new BIOS will be out soon.
First off, thanks for pushing this matter. Unfortunately, I just tested the F4r UEFI BIOS with a brand new fresh install of Windows 8 x64 and the throttling is still there irrespective of any settings changes in the UEFI BIOS frown.gif. I have a retail C2 chip (two of them in fact and have tested with two retail X79S-UP5 boards). If it will expedite resolving this matter, maybe I can provide one of the CPUs to Gigabyte on a loan? I am not sure how that could be arranged but I would consider the option as long as they turn around reasonably quickly. What type of LinX numbers do you get at a 4.4GHz overclock and at 4.6GHz overclock with your ES C1 chip?

As for the other two issues you addressed...

1. I'm still not convinced that this is the case. What is the justification for allowing manual control up to 32 and does that imply that the settings currently available have no effect what so ever? Why not simply allow us to set the value to whatever we want and apply that? It seems counter intuitive that this setting even exists in the UEFI BIOS if what you are saying is true (I have my serious doubts as to the accuracy of the information).
2. The F4r BIOS you posted added the ability to go back and forth between RSTe and IRST. This is a good step forward as I can at least now decide whether I want to run mainstream IRST or RSTe. The setting seems to work correctly. As for running both RSTe and SCU option ROMs at the same time, I think that is a separate problem from the one where I and a few others complained about the elimination of the RSTe option ROM (which as I said is back in the UEFI BIOS you posted). I am concerned that the message conveyed to me by support about there not being enough shadow memory to run two ROMs at the same time is actually correct, in which case my point about this being an oversight stands.

So, in all, F4r adds the ability to go back and forth between IRST and RSTe option ROMs, but it does not fix throttling or any other issues.
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That's for the updates dejanh and Sin0822. I'll check out the new BIOS when I can get a chance.
To be honest, I'm not terribly concerned about the RAID ROM issue; I generally only have one or two boot volumes, and I do not need to put them on the SAS ports, so I'm ok with configuring those in the OS. Still, if there is a possible work around it would be nice.
Regarding tRC, I assume you mean IMC and not chipset, as the chipset shouldn't touch the memory. I have to admit, I'm still a little skeptical about what this engineer has stated. There are some X79 board that seem to allow tweaking increase of this timing past tRP + tRAS (evga boards, for example), and many XMP profiles attempt to set radically higher tRCs (not that XMP values are always optimal, but not off of them are worthless). Still, there are boards that seem to OC even large amounts of memory without issue, that do not have manual tRC control. So, your engineer may well be right.
I think I'll see if I can under clock my memory and run very tight timings, and see if the max manual value (32) is recognized or if it makes any difference.
Those boards (like older and current Rampage Extreme boards) typically automatically set an unusually high value for tRC and are therefore capable of pushing some serious memory clocks with large number of DIMMs populated. As I said above, if what the FW engineer has said about tRC is actually true, then what is the point of this setting at all and why are we allowed to set it up to 32, and does that mean that this is yet another feature which exists in the UI and does nothing on the back end?
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