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ES doesn't have locked down TDp and TDC values(they are set, but can more easily be overridden), basically the only big difference other than micro code. Also they think most pro league OCers use only ES CPUs, and their in house overclockers(all mobo companies) use ES CPUs, thus for overclocking issues they fix things first for ES CPus.
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Also they think most pro league OCers use only ES CPUs, and their in house overclockers(all mobo companies) use ES CPUs, thus for overclocking issues they fix things first for ES CPus.
This doesn't sound reassuring to people who buy retail stuff. Overclockers or not.
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I've been watching this thread for a while now and I just have to ask, what the hell Giga?
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This doesn't sound reassuring to people who buy retail stuff. Overclockers or not.

yea i know, however you also have to understand that ES CPUs are supposed to be basically the same as retail, also manufacturers have them way before retails, and thus systems are built upon ES CPUs and microcodes are changed for retails. Sometimes there are differences that cause issues.

Also this board is a workstation board, but that has nothing to do with ES or retail CPUs.
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But you don't have this issue with Asus WS boards.
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yea i know, however you also have to understand that ES CPUs are supposed to be basically the same as retail, also manufacturers have them way before retails, and thus systems are built upon ES CPUs and microcodes are changed for retails. Sometimes there are differences that cause issues.

Also this board is a workstation board, but that has nothing to do with ES or retail CPUs.
Yes, but don't they test the board once retail cpu's come out? Workstation or not, is the throttling part of the design? As Dejanh has pointed out, even on stock settings it will throttle down given enough load. And for a workstation board? If Gigabyte (or any other mobo maker) can acknowledge this is the design of the board (or chipset), then maybe this case can be closed and those of us that have this board can look elsewhere.
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So false advertising as well then - it should say "Designed for limited Overclocked Intel CPUs"

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Yes, but don't they test the board once retail cpu's come out? Workstation or not, is the throttling part of the design? As Dejanh has pointed out, even on stock settings it will throttle down given enough load. And for a workstation board? If Gigabyte (or any other mobo maker) can acknowledge this is the design of the board (or chipset), then maybe this case can be closed and those of us that have this board can look elsewhere.
That's just not the case though. Somebody dropped the ball on the firmware design floor and now has to find to which dark corner it's rolled to get it back. It's a fixable problem. There is zero doubt in my mind about that.
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yea i know, however you also have to understand that ES CPUs are supposed to be basically the same as retail, also manufacturers have them way before retails, and thus systems are built upon ES CPUs and microcodes are changed for retails. Sometimes there are differences that cause issues.
Also this board is a workstation board, but that has nothing to do with ES or retail CPUs.
The first part is very true, but it does not excuse this type of stuff happening under any circumstances. If the product is not ready it should not hit the market. End of story. As for the bolded part about the "workstation board"...please don't use that any more. It does not add any credibility to the argument nor does it excuse the behavior of the board. A fault is a fault and let's just agree to call it that. Everyone knows it's a fault, so why bother to hide it behind marketing speak? Furthermore, I have documented proof under my support account at Gigabyte where they explicitly shy away from calling this board a "workstation" board. They say that it's a desktop board with workstation capabilities. I'm not asking you to be best friends, you can even not like me, but just don't defend Gigabyte in this case when they are clearly wrong. It's even wrong that I have ruffle so many feathers just to get them motivated to look at anything. This should have been priority #1 when it was reported.

Besides, just look at all the comments and the information that was posted in this thread...we are not being dishonest or unfair, we are just all asking that the product for which we paid work correctly. Throttling is not part of the design and Gigabyte must fix it. It's not optional really...it really isn't...

At the risk of falsely raising hopes, I'm glad to hear from massman on XS that it seems an interesting fix is forthcoming. I'm eagerly awaiting the details on how this issue came about, what causes it, and how it ends up being fixed. It really is about time.
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Also C606 ISNT X79 chipset, IDK how hard that is to believe but perhaps the C606 chipset is while it it working, the Up5 is a workstation board, not an extreme overclocker.
The PCh controls a crapload of things, including shutdown protocols for the CPU and so forth.

Overclocking is fairly prominently advertised in materials relating to the board, the board's VRM is enormous overkill for any stock part, and there are numerous overclocking settings in the BIOS. Also, the fact that it is a workstation board should not imply that it's a worse overclocker unless such features are deliberately absent.

I bought this board for a system that will be, in large part, a workstation. Overclocking and such uses are not mutually exclusive, or even in conflict. Sufficient stress testing and adjustments can easily result in overclocked stability comparable to, or in excess of, the out of box experience. The issue is that I cannot perform sufficient stress testing if I am artificially power capped. It's like proof firing a cannon with a normal powder load, you never know if it's safe until it's not.

I'm not trying to set records. I'm trying to get ~25-30% more performance out of a part that clearly has tons of headroom.

As for what the PCH controls, most of this should be adjustable through firmware, but since there are few other C6xx chipset boards capable of significant overclocking, and most of them are dual socket for Xeon E5s that can't really be OCed much, there aren't any real other examples.
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At the risk of falsely raising hopes, I'm glad to hear from massman on XS that it seems an interesting fix is forthcoming. I'm eagerly awaiting the details on how this issue came about, what causes it, and how it ends up being fixed. It really is about time.

Can you link to this post?
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Overclocking is fairly prominently advertised in materials relating to the board, the board's VRM is enormous overkill for any stock part, and there are numerous overclocking settings in the BIOS. Also, the fact that it is a workstation board should not imply that it's a worse overclocker unless such features are deliberately absent.
I bought this board for a system that will be, in large part, a workstation. Overclocking and such uses are not mutually exclusive, or even in conflict. Sufficient stress testing and adjustments can easily result in overclocked stability comparable to, or in excess of, the out of box experience. The issue is that I cannot perform sufficient stress testing if I am artificially power capped. It's like proof firing a cannon with a normal powder load, you never know if it's safe until it's not.
I'm not trying to set records. I'm trying to get ~25-30% more performance out of a part that clearly has tons of headroom.
As for what the PCH controls, most of this should be adjustable through firmware, but since there are few other C6xx chipset boards capable of significant overclocking, and most of them are dual socket for Xeon E5s that can't really be OCed much, there aren't any real other examples.
Can you link to this post?
Same one I linked earlier on XS, just read massman's update in his last post from tonight. The thread is here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?284126-Problems-with-GA-X79S-UP5-board-please-help!&p=5159546#post5159546
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