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To be fair SB-E will not overclock if you disable Turbo. That is Intel specifications
O rly? rolleyes.gif In what publication?

GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI, BIOS F3, Turbo disabled, multiplier set at 44x



I don't know who made up the idea that SB-E can only overclock using "Turbo" gating...you have a BCLK, and you have a multiplier? Then you have the ability to overclock to a set speed without having to have "Turbo" enabled. thumb.gif Maybe it's the crappy motherboard implementations that bred that false idea.

That aside, I have ran a few more tests and have a few more observations to share.

First, the throttling definitely kicks in when the chip is using the AVX instructions. That's consistent with a much larger current/power draw since AVX tends to push the processor that much more when compared to the same stress test without AVX. I tested with both Prime95 26.6 (no AVX) and Prime95 27.7 (AVX), and LinX 0.6.4 with old libraries that do not support AVX, then with new libraries that use AVX and every time AVX is used the clock will throttle.

I have also spent a substantial amount of time trying to figure out whether the turbo watt/amp limits have any effect, and I am quite certain that these features are not working at all right now.

Next I was measuring temperatures on the back of the board in the VRM area. While they are higher than the ones I measured earlier, I was measuring between 5C-10C higher on the back of the board when compared to the heatsink base on the front of the board, which is nothing substantial and still way below any limits of the VRMs used on this board.

Finally, I also observed that dropping the memory frequency to 1066MHz will allow the multiplier to stay more steady than when the memory is running at 1866MHz and the chip is stressed with AVX load, which again seems to be consistent with the fact that lower memory speed is generally less demanding on the CPU. Higher memory frequencies will exacerbate the throttling problem.

Overall, the UEFI BIOS is really buggy on this board and needs a lot of work still. I am not sure when Gigabyte is planning to address any of these issues, but I have a feeling that it will be a while.
Edited by dejanh - 11/3/12 at 8:41pm
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I have no problems getting my RAM at 2133Mhz with all RAM slots filled at 32GB, don't know why your board is refusing to POST.
    
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hey i reported the issue again to GB HQ, I am waiting for a response, but they are investigating.
Thanks for the update. Just keep an eye out on this thread because I post new info as I test more. If you did not let them know about the AVX detail it may be worth while to pass that along too. I will also pick up 32GB of qualified quad-channel memory this morning to test one more theory and will report back after.
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I have no problems getting my RAM at 2133Mhz with all RAM slots filled at 32GB, don't know why your board is refusing to POST.
You know, it would be so much more helpful to us if you actually took the time to tell us your detailed specs (type and revision of chip B0 or C2, exact make and model of memory) and provided some screenshots and pictures as proof, instead of coming in here and saying nothing useful. Giving us some more information about your configuration is useful to give us a working baseline comparison. You also still did not try overclocking as I stated before, so you don't know whether you do or don't throttle. Maybe you think that you are helping right now, but you are not unless you include all the details and proof to go with it.
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GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI, BIOS F3, Turbo disabled, multiplier set at 44x

The board may well still be using Turbo functionality to access multipliers over 32x, even if turbo is supposedly disabled and automatic turbo adjustments not implemented.

Not saying this is sure to be the case, but what's going on in the UEFI interface and how the firmware is actually interacting with the hardware is not readily apparent (which is itself a big part of the problem in figuring out what is going on with this board).
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Overall, the UEFI BIOS is really buggy on this board and needs a lot of work still. I am not sure when Gigabyte is planning to address any of these issues, but I have a feeling that it will be a while.

Among the many bugs mentioned/readily apparent, as of F4L (or thereabouts), my mouse (a Zowie EC-1, plugged into a USB 2.0 port on the back) cursor only moves horizontally in the UEFI. Doesn't matter much as I normally use the keyboard anyway, but I thought it was odd.
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yea with Sandy Bridge and on-wards they all NEED turbo enabled, that is also why on some boards if you disable EIST, then the board wont OC the CPU higher than default. However many manufacturers allow turbo mode to be disabled, but doing that only disables certain turbo functions. However OCing Sandy Bridge onward requires turbo multiplier adjustment.

So manufacturers basically have to get around things like this, if you want to see how crappy it is when it was meant to be implemented, you should have seen the first round of boards.

Also there is another issue implemented with sandy bridge, and then intel saying ivy bridge will run off the same platform. The clock generator is in the PCH for sandy bridge, but with ivy bridge the cpu clock gen I am told is in the CPU itself. That is why a lot of Z68 boards would have major issues OCing ivy bridge, even the best ones like the M4E had issues with BIOS flashes and overclocking(loss of frequency with sandy bridge, but no loss with ivy, and so on).

Considering the clock generator is in the PCH, I am wondering if this might have something to do with the C606 chipset, I haven't heard back yet, but I am sure I will hear something sooner than later.
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The board may well still be using Turbo functionality to access multipliers over 32x, even if turbo is supposedly disabled and automatic turbo adjustments not implemented.
Not saying this is sure to be the case, but what's going on in the UEFI interface and how the firmware is actually interacting with the hardware is not readily apparent (which is itself a big part of the problem in figuring out what is going on with this board).

Among the many bugs mentioned/readily apparent, as of F4L (or thereabouts), my mouse (a Zowie EC-1, plugged into a USB 2.0 port on the back) cursor only moves horizontally in the UEFI. Doesn't matter much as I normally use the keyboard anyway, but I thought it was odd.
Right, agreed, that is probably what is happening. However I would (as you stated) like if it was apparent how the firmware is actually interacting with the hardware. I just picked up 2 quad-channel Dominator Platinum kits to see if that makes any difference to any of the issues we are experiencing. I'll post back once I've done some basic tests.
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yea with Sandy Bridge and on-wards they all NEED turbo enabled, that is also why on some boards if you disable EIST, then the board wont OC the CPU higher than default. However many manufacturers allow turbo mode to be disabled, but doing that only disables certain turbo functions. However OCing Sandy Bridge onward requires turbo multiplier adjustment.
So manufacturers basically have to get around things like this, if you want to see how crappy it is when it was meant to be implemented, you should have seen the first round of boards.
Also there is another issue implemented with sandy bridge, and then intel saying ivy bridge will run off the same platform. The clock generator is in the PCH for sandy bridge, but with ivy bridge the cpu clock gen I am told is in the CPU itself. That is why a lot of Z68 boards would have major issues OCing ivy bridge, even the best ones like the M4E had issues with BIOS flashes and overclocking(loss of frequency with sandy bridge, but no loss with ivy, and so on).
Considering the clock generator is in the PCH, I am wondering if this might have something to do with the C606 chipset, I haven't heard back yet, but I am sure I will hear something sooner than later.
"if you want to see how crappy it is when it was meant to be implemented, you should have seen the first round of boards. " < this made me LOL hard tongue.gifthumb.gif

Overall, what you are bringing up is not very encouraging. The only reason why I got this board is to last me through the next 1.5 - 2 years until Haswell-based enthusiast parts are out and stable. The prospect of not being able to run IB-E on this board...not sounding so encouraging. Hopefully the board manufacturers (including Gigabyte) have learned from the initial issues and can now work around what you are bringing up. With that said, you mentioned that you are "wondering if this might have something to do with the C606 chipset"...can you elaborate on what you are thinking exactly?

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When every new SB platform is released, or from here on out, turbo functions are always at Intel spec, meaning you have to enable EIST and leave Turbo enabled. Sometimes when a platform is launched, it is very hard to get no drop of frequency under idle conditions, that is what i mean. Like at X79 release, we couldn't OC without EIST enabled, and being enabled means you couldn't run 4.5ghz 24/7.

What I was saying about Ivy/Sandy is that they can optimize for one of them easily, my guess is that these new round of boards might be optimized for ivy-e.
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Well, I finished testing the board with the Dominator Platinum Quad Channel kits. Changing the memory to a kit "officially meant" for X79 had no effect on the throttling (as I suspected it wouldn't). It also had no effect on the issues running 2133MHz memory with 8 banks fully utilized. However, the second part of the test is in principle inconclusive since the kit I could get on short notice was rated for 1866MHz only so I had to overclock it to test, which introduces other variables into the test case.

Either way, the main thing that I can confirm now is that changing the memory has not bearing on the throttling problem.

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I just ordered the GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI... bloody can't wait to build a system with it. smile.gif

Any deals on SAS drives?
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I just ordered the GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI... bloody can't wait to build a system with it. smile.gif
Any deals on SAS drives?
Well I bought one for $131 directly from Amazon with BT4/WiFi, so maybe they're already clearing these boards out?
I think that you may be unpleasantly surprised when you either receive a non-working board, or you receive a GA-X79-UD5 with a BT4/WIFI addon card.

Anyway, back to the issues at hand...

One more important bug found (or should I say confirmed). Blameless already found this and mentioned earlier, I just want to make sure it gets passed on to Gigabyte.

The highest tRC value in the UEFI BIOS that can be manually set for memory is 32, however most of the time higher values than this are needed (all of the recent memory that I used that exceeds 1600MHz runs best with tRC 33 and higher, with my 2133MHz kit requiring tRC 38).

@Sin0822 - Please let me know if you can pass this on as well.
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