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Nothing has ever even really hinted at it being anything other than horribly immature, incomplete, firmware.

Also, does anyone know of any possible way to return a board to Gigabyte for a refund, if it wasn't purchased directly from them?

I see nothing on Gigabytes support pages that hints at anything other than being able to return the product for repair or replacement. Since my board is not damaged, and odds are that any replacement would have the same issue, this is going to be nothing but a waste of my time, and theirs.

I've already sunk two full months and about 150 hours of lost productivity testing and troubleshooting this lemon. There seems to be no fix forthcoming; indeed, Gigabyte still seems to be in denial over these issues...pretty hard to get someone to fix something they don't think is broken, or get them to implement features they don't think are necessary.

This board's firmware makes it virtually unusable. I've sunk hundreds into a replacement for my old system, and it is slower than my old system. At this point, I just want it gone.

I've been a long-time Gigabyte customer, and have spend upwards of two grand on nearly a dozen Gigabyte motherboards in the last three years alone. It was a good run, but with this X79S-UP5, Gigabyte has jumped the shark.
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dejanh, my linx with that problem size at that settings gives me between 148-150 gflops, everytime, every boot, with windows 7. so yeah something is not right there.
I think the ir3550 dont work well with lga2011 chips or what?

btw get an asus formula 4 if you want to overclock for your money. thumb.gif
i would get the gene 4 if you dont need that many pcie slots. both gene and formula has the same power delivery!
    
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dejanh, my linx with that problem size at that settings gives me between 148-150 gflops, everytime, every boot, with windows 7. so yeah something is not right there.
I think the ir3550 dont work well with lga2011 chips or what?
btw get an asus formula 4 if you want to overclock for your money. thumb.gif
i would get the gene 4 if you dont need that many pcie slots. both gene and formula has the same power delivery!
Oh trust me, I know. After looking at it further, their GFlops do not scale at all, in fact the level that they are running (about 130GFlops) is equivalent of about 4.1GHz overclock, which means that their chip is throttling the whole time they are running LinX, and then throttling even more in the examples that I pointed out.
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That is even more disappointing their tech support is trying to pull a fast one......mad.gif
    
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I think the ir3550 dont work well with lga2011 chips or what?

No reason for the power ICs to not work perfectly fine for LGA-2011.

These issues aren't hardware related, they are firmware, which is why they are so frustrating.
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btw get an asus formula 4 if you want to overclock for your money.

Not enough DIMM slots, and still expensive.
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That is even more disappointing their tech support is trying to pull a fast one......mad.gif

I'm not yet convinced they are trying to pull anything, but they are absolutely in denial.
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Alright, the final straw in terms of hardware changes and tests...picked up another GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI, loaded up the F4o BIOS and went to test...long story short, the same exact problems happen with this board as they did with the other board.

So, so far I have tried the following hardware changes to disprove any doubt that this is a hardware related problem and not a firmware (UEFI BIOS/BIOS) related problem.
  1. Bought two different brand new Core i7 3930K C2 chips, from different batches and different production years
  2. Bought two GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI boards, from different locations, and tried all BIOS revisions from F1 to F4o (latest F4q not tested yet but I am not holding my breath for it to fix anything)
  3. Bought three different quad-channel memory kits, in varying speeds, ranging from 1866MHz to 2133MHZ

One other thing I decided to take a close look at following Gigabytes latest response to me where they tested LinX on their side is to verify whether their test chip is throttling or not. I suspected that the low GFlops in the LinX run were the result of throttling as they were getting only 130GFlops at 4.4GHz, with dips all the way down to 117GFlops. This made no sense with all of the results I could find online, so I decided to test things myself. This is done with a brand new, another GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI using two different chips (screenshots taken from one only though results were the same).

First, I measured GFlops at 4.1GHz taking two screenshots, one at the start of the run to show the clock, and then after several passes, to show the consistent GFlops. Please note that at 4.1GHz there was no throttling occurring during these runs.

4.1GHz, LinX starting up...

New_Board_LinX_4.1GHz_Start_2012-11-09_07-44-50.jpg

4.1GHz, LinX after 6 passes already executed...

New_Board_LinX_4.1GHz_6_Runs_2012-11-09_07-44-50.jpg

Note that the GFlops are holding steady between 137GFlops to 138GFlops - This is already higher than what Gigabyte got during their test (shown below) at 4.4GHz clearly showing that their run was throttling, not just during large dips all the way down to 117GFlops, but during the whole run in-fact.

LinX_results_from_Gigabyte_analyzed.jpg

Next up, same test at 4.4GHz. Please note that in this run the throttling happens regularly (from the first pass onwards) causing the clock to jump back and forth between 4.1GHz and 4.2GHz.

4.4GHz, LinX starting up...

New_Board_LinX_4.4GHz_Start_2012-11-09_07-44-50.jpg

4.4GHz, LinX after 8 passes already executed...

New_Board_LinX_4.4GHz_8_Runs_2012-11-09_07-44-50.jpg

As you can see when you look at the results above, the 4.4GHz GFlops in LinX are the same as the 4.1GHz GFlops in LinX, which in actuality is not possible. The GFlops at 4.4GHz should be closer to 150GFlops, instead they are at the same level (~138GFlops) when the chip is running at 4.1GHz, exactly corresponding to the throttling problem.

So what does all this mean then?

There is no more doubt in my mind that this is a pure firmware (that is UEFI BIOS, or BIOS, however you want to call it) problem. With two randomly chosen chips, two randomly chosen boards, and three randomly chosen memory kits (four in fact if you count the fact that I used total of 16 different 4GB sticks and combinations there-of) it is absolutely definitive that this is not a hardware problem. Moreover, as I have demonstrated above, it is a problem that plagues Gigabyte as well, and not just the end users.
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Tried the new F4q BIOS as well, same problems as before...nothing was fixed...in fact, now the Enterprise RAID disappeared too and I don't know how to bring it back...so more problems, and no solutions to any existing major issues.
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Tried the new F4q BIOS as well, same problems as before...nothing was fixed...in fact, now the Enterprise RAID disappeared too and I don't know how to bring it back...so more problems, and no solutions to any existing major issues.

It's because Gigabyte updated RSTe ROM. The same thing happened when Asus updated their X79 boards. The only way to fix it was by reinstalling. redface.gif
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I'm not saying that I can't use Windows, but thanks for the tip smile.gif I'm bothered by the fact that I have a C606 enterprise chipset board and my RAID option rom just got replaced for some reason with the regular option rom. RSTe is still in the BIOS but there seems to be no way to turn it on any more.

What gives?

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I haven't tried F4q yet, but even in previous BIOSes only one option ROM seems funtional at the same time. When I have the first six SATA ports set to RAID, the only way to manipulate the SAS port is in the OS.
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5820K @ 4.2/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.175/1.15v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485, 1... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-12-12-28-T1, 1.34v 
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Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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