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When you only consider it at face value it's not worth it, but having a higher end cooler can go to other CPUs too, I got a TRUE with a Pentium Dual Core E2180 and I'm still using it today, you can bet that a H100 should work for a few years at least, for example say I have a H100 and Trinity, then I upgrade to Skylake in the future, the H100 will still work on that next chip and be among the best coolers to own, then it'll still be compatible for the chip you get after that too. It's like a ODD drive and PSU, it might be over the top and expensive for your current PC but it'll be compatible with your future ones.
True...But you're still better off getting a 3570k with a stock cooler vs trinity with the stupidly expensive cooler.
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True...But you're still better off getting a 3570k with a stock cooler vs trinity with the stupidly expensive cooler.

3550 with stock

3570K with at least a 212.thumb.gif

what are you using?
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post #153 of 168
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True...But you're still better off getting a 3570k with a stock cooler vs trinity with the stupidly expensive cooler.

But now you'd need to spend extra to get the graphics up to par, since trinity isn't just a cpu. So now you've spend more money then a trinity + decent cooler, and you've got a more complicated package, spent more, and only a little ahead performance wise. Plus, considering most gpus aren't exceptionally quiet, chances are the intel + discrete is going to be a bit louder too.

It also means if we were planning on upgrading to kaveri, we'd be set. Hows the lifespan of the i5 ivy socket? What type of opencl/hsa support?


If this was an i5 vs fx argument it makes more sense, since the whole extra graphics card arguement doesn't exist anymore.

As for me being one to make a big deal out of it, this is my second post on the subject, 2010rig is up to 5 already. Who's making the bigger deal again?
post #154 of 168
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When you only consider it at face value it's not worth it, but having a higher end cooler can go to other CPUs too, I got a TRUE with a Pentium Dual Core E2180 and I'm still using it today, you can bet that a H100 should work for a few years at least, for example say I have a H100 and Trinity, then I upgrade to Skylake in the future, the H100 will still work on that next chip and be among the best coolers to own, then it'll still be compatible for the chip you get after that too. It's like a ODD drive and PSU, it might be over the top and expensive for your current PC but it'll be compatible with your future ones.

Very true, and I get that I had that same train of thought when I bought my NH-D14 and fans. I guess in this case, I just see Trinity as a budget build, spending 80% of what the CPU is worth on a cooler doesn't make sense to me. When I got my NH-D14 the cost was 33% of my CPU. If I'm going Trinity it's because I'd like to get the CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD in the $350 - $400 range. Adding a $100 cooler brings me to $500 and that's nearing Intel territory.
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True...But you're still better off getting a 3570k with a stock cooler vs trinity with the stupidly expensive cooler.
Very true, I'd still get a 212 minimum in there, or see below...
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3550 with stock
3570K with at least a 212.thumb.gif
what are you using?

If I went with a 3570K, I can justify spending a little more on a cooler.

Then again, if I can get this cooler for $40 shipped to Canada, that'll be ideal for the Trinity build. This price is amazing considering the NF-P12's alone cost $27 EACH or 2 for $46.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=42819&vpn=NH-U12P%20SE2&manufacture=Noctua&promoid=1368

I love Noctua coolers and fans, but when I built my rig, I definitely did it wrong since I spent as much or more on case fans as I did on the case. ( I bought my case first before buying the parts for my rig, and was stuck with it and unable to return it. )



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post #155 of 168
I don't see what's the big deal. Nothing to put size 150 font over...

i5-3570k isn't a good buy if Trinity APUs can perform similarly overclocked with a cooler, for half the cost. Alas it doesn't get outperformed by Trinity. As far as I know stock cooler gets you ~4.2-4.3GHz @1V for a 24/7 OC with 70-85°C max temp? I don't think over 72°C is safe and a cheap aftermarket cooler sets you back $20-30. Phenom II /Bulldozer stock cooler makes Intel look cheap (then again Intel makes itself look really cheap with the TIM fiasco).

Core i3 definitely isn't a good buy unless you are using a mobile system and need battery life + use a discrete GPU with Zero core/disable on idle. The mobile market is where Intel succeeds because most people don't upgrade laptops.

If you buy from Noctua for example, the CPU cooler extends to your next build if they can provide mounting hardware. FM2=FM1 mounting hardware as far as I know.

I'm pretty sure people with i5-750 or i7-920s do not regret buying an aftermarket cooler, even more so if it was a 212+ or some other sub $50 cooler.
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I don't see what's the big deal. Nothing to put size 150 font over...
i5-3570k isn't a good buy if Trinity APUs can perform similarly overclocked with a cooler, for half the cost. Alas it doesn't get outperformed by Trinity. As far as I know stock cooler gets you ~4.2-4.3GHz @1V for a 24/7 OC with 70-85°C max temp? I don't think over 72°C is safe and a cheap aftermarket cooler sets you back $20-30. Phenom II /Bulldozer stock cooler makes Intel look cheap (then again Intel makes itself look really cheap with the TIM fiasco).
Core i3 definitely isn't a good buy unless you are using a mobile system and need battery life + use a discrete GPU with Zero core/disable on idle. The mobile market is where Intel succeeds because most people don't upgrade laptops.
If you buy from Noctua for example, the CPU cooler extends to your next build if they can provide mounting hardware. FM2=FM1 mounting hardware as far as I know.
I'm pretty sure people with i5-750 or i7-920s do not regret buying an aftermarket cooler, even more so if it was a 212+ or some other sub $50 cooler.

FM1 and FM2 use AM mounting, so all of the modern amd coolers interchange. I'm surprised the black edition coolers aren't even low fx coolers.
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I'd rather just overclock the **** out of some memory and bump speeds on the APU slightly. I've read that the GPU gets significant performance gains with just slightly faster ram.
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So basing from what we know, should I go for this, or an ivy i3 for a 500-700$ budget build? Or should I just go all out and wait for Vishera?
    
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When you only consider it at face value it's not worth it, but having a higher end cooler can go to other CPUs too, I got a TRUE with a Pentium Dual Core E2180 and I'm still using it today, you can bet that a H100 should work for a few years at least, for example say I have a H100 and Trinity, then I upgrade to Skylake in the future, the H100 will still work on that next chip and be among the best coolers to own, then it'll still be compatible for the chip you get after that too. It's like a ODD drive and PSU, it might be over the top and expensive for your current PC but it'll be compatible with your future ones.
True...But you're still better off getting a 3570k with a stock cooler vs trinity with the stupidly expensive cooler.

Not really though...You still need to buy a "stupidly expensive cooler" for the i5 to get the highest of clocks, I do it for silence as well as a decent OC so I'd get the H100/H80/something similar anyway and keep it for ages, like I said..The price would go down to $30 at least (So to speak) when you've used it on 3 separate motherboards/CPUs.
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When you only consider it at face value it's not worth it, but having a higher end cooler can go to other CPUs too, I got a TRUE with a Pentium Dual Core E2180 and I'm still using it today, you can bet that a H100 should work for a few years at least, for example say I have a H100 and Trinity, then I upgrade to Skylake in the future, the H100 will still work on that next chip and be among the best coolers to own, then it'll still be compatible for the chip you get after that too. It's like a ODD drive and PSU, it might be over the top and expensive for your current PC but it'll be compatible with your future ones.

Very true, and I get that I had that same train of thought when I bought my NH-D14 and fans. I guess in this case, I just see Trinity as a budget build, spending 80% of what the CPU is worth on a cooler doesn't make sense to me. When I got my NH-D14 the cost was 33% of my CPU. If I'm going Trinity it's because I'd like to get the CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD in the $350 - $400 range. Adding a $100 cooler brings me to $500 and that's nearing Intel territory.

That's true, but if you use the cooler on say, 4 separate builds (Not too weird) then it's only ~$30 for each overall, that's how I'd justify me getting a 850w PSU on my current build, sure, I'm not coming close to using it now..But it means it'll definitely be working for a very long time (Even when you take aging into account) and if I decide to go to Haswell-E and get two HD8870s later? I don't need to upgrade the PSU then.

The way I see it, I'm still spending another ~$100 extra on the i5 and a bit extra on the motherboard still, the stock cooler for the i5 is hardly silent when it's being loaded so I'd end up buying a much quieter cooler on top of that.

Then again, I mainly want to get a H100 because it's the closest thing to a proper WC loop for my CPU that'll fit in my case with the EX120 I have for my GPU, and not having a tower above the CPU makes it a hell of a lot easier to manage the tubing and cables.
    
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I'd hold on till the nda lift of the CM Eisberg units, they look promising.
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