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Quite frankly... that sounds absolutely horrible. My take on this is that it makes all toons of a certain type into carbon copies. Gear would be the only differing part... and I keep hearing that even that has been made very easy to get. Put quite bluntly... did they just break WoW? They've damaged it before... but this just sounds broken. Your talent spec was who your toon was.

The problem is it has always been like that, but instead of fixing a bunch of things they just took out the ability for people to gimp themselves. Even with the old talent specs, there was one real way. If you look at every high end raid priest/mage/warlock/warrior, etc..they all used one spec and one gearset with the same enchants and everything. Through every expansion for every class, there was only one setup that was the best for raiding and one that was the best for pvp, everything else was just gimping yourself. What they did was just make it harder to gimp yourself.
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The problem is it has always been like that, but instead of fixing a bunch of things they just took out the ability for people to gimp themselves. Even with the old talent specs, there was one real way. If you look at every high end raid priest/mage/warlock/warrior, etc..they all used one spec and one gearset with the same enchants and everything. Through every expansion for every class, there was only one setup that was the best for raiding and one that was the best for pvp, everything else was just gimping yourself. What they did was just make it harder to gimp yourself.

Part of that process was the chance to experiment though, and make a toon that was unique to your and your playstyle. Removing creative choice for your avatar in a MMO, or any RPG really... is a very poor choice for Bliz to have made. I used to be top tier, way back when, and never did the cookie cutter thing since there was always something 'new' right around the corner.
I can't say I won't try the new setup... it just really sounds like a horrible move from Bliz. If anything, maybe it was the lazy way out of constantly balancing their talent trees. Maybe they let a few people go, and those people ran the talents development area lol. *sigh*
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Also, can someone explain what they did to talent specs? I was reading a little and there's something about the talent trees being basically gone...???

The talent trees are awesome now. Alot of people are very happy with the direction Blizzard went with this expac. Most classes with more than 1 dps spec, all 3 specs are balanced. Were talking fire, frost and arcane in a mage scenario within 5% of each other when dpsing in a fight. I mean its amazing.

Gone are the days of SIMcraft actually being mostly correct. The cool thing is, there are like 6 or 7 abilities in each tree you can choose between. No more 30 points this tree, 3 in this one for crit and the other 21 over here or whatever. Another really nice thing is alot of the spells in the trees are ones that you are going to want for certain situations.

There is also a specialization thing, which you choose im not sure at what level as im 85 and just coming back from a 18month break. For example: Im fire specialized, so i get fireball, pyroblast, molten armor and one other thing just from that. Where as arcane would get arcane barrage and arcane blast and so on and so forth with frost as well. But even as fire specialized i can still pick 4 talents of fire and more than halfway down the tree pick an arcane or frost talent if i want that ability. I dont have to put a certain amount in each tree to reach something. Pretty sure its 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 and 90 are the levels you get to choose an ability within the tree. They really did a great job with this.

Only thing ive seen alot of people complain about is tank class not feeling unique anymore. Apparently tanks are now on equal footing or passing pure dps classes which alot of people think shouldnt even be close. oh well, liking the expac so far
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Hmm... I guess i can kind of see what they did there. I'll have to try it myself and see how I feel about it. A change that big I can't say for 100% is net good or bad. I'm getting kind of excited, but am holding back so I don't fall in with really high hopes and then feel let down and bomb out again.
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I have a level 90 Warlock and I really like the new expansion. There are still some issues with quest being unable to complete because another quest was turned in and phased the entire area. Had that problem last night while trying to start my dailies for rep.
I already farmed for eggs and have the cloud serpent and now I am gearing out for pvp as well as leveling a panda monk for tanking in heroics/raids. Going to stick to regulars and move up as I get better since I have never tanked but have always wanted to. I healed most of my WoW career so switching things up is fun right now.
The game is also a lot more fun when you bot instead of having to play the entire game through. Especially when you have a full time job and school. I like to be able to play the game and not be so far behind that it is pointless to play with friends when you can't even gear to do anything with them.
Edit: In Cataclysm Rogues were monsters! They still can be now but a lot of people starting playing them in Cataclysm because they were a face roll class and now they are whining because they never knew how to play the class in the first place. I stopped playing my rogue so I didn't have to fall into the whiner category.
If you want a Scroll of Ressurection or just a Recruit a Friend please let me know. The recruit a friend account can give the referer accounts 1 level for every 2 levels the other account got. As long as they are on the same server.

wow did he just admit to botting? Your day is coming. biggrin.gif Glad to know your bot your monk and botted your way to 90 and got those levels illegitimately
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I can understand botting for mindless grinding, but I always thought it was a bannable offense so I never looked into it. If they've put the game on such an 'easy mode'... i'd imagine the item/mat grind is fairly easy too anymore.
Either way, I'm kind of doubting I'll even attempt to bot, and just continue like i always have with the grind biggrin.gif Getting bored in a grind and going on gank hunts was a nice pass-time as well lol
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Quite frankly... that sounds absolutely horrible. My take on this is that it makes all toons of a certain type into carbon copies. Gear would be the only differing part... and I keep hearing that even that has been made very easy to get. Put quite bluntly... did they just break WoW? They've damaged it before... but this just sounds broken. Your talent spec was who your toon was.

"your talent spec was who your toon was"...really? Its very hard for me to believe that. You must not have been playing the same WoW I was. See there were carbon copies more so then than there are now. See before the damaged parts youre talking about because of the talent trees and they abilities on them all the top players had "the best" specs. So its not like everyone was their own person cuz they all had different trees that worked out really great. Everyone and im talking mostly hardcore/semi hardcore raiders copied what all the top dps/healers/tanks were speccing into and everyone pretty much toted the same thing.

Now its pretty much the same, i mean there are going to be 2-3 that are going to be the top ones. But its no longer that dependent on the talent tree if youre leading in dps or not. Its what part of the fight are you speccing for, cuz they all benefit from certain situations and certain phases of the fight. Which ability do you want, that you think will provide you with the most dps during most of the boss fight between moving and down time...or are you going for survivability or maybe mana regen.

I think this system is so much better as alot of the abilities on the individual trees are awesome, it all comes down to personal reference which is so amazing. I mean you may not like the idea but, you no longer get haste or crit or mastery from talent tree abilties its all just abilties both active and passive. Most people are praising the system...some are still unsure.
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Read my newer replied tongue.gif You're falling behind in the convo.
After taking it into more consideration, I'll stick to a 'wait and see' attitude.
To clarify the quote of me you made, I'm heavy into customization.. so to me, being able to choose your talents was a big deal, even if you went a route many others have gone. Being able to make even 1 change would make it your own. Since there are so many playstyles, you may have a different rotation that requires a different talent layout, even if just ever so slightly.
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It is a bannable offense and it's why they won the lawsuit against WoWGlider couple years ago.
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It is a bannable offense and it's why they won the lawsuit against WoWGlider couple years ago.

Yeah, I never kept up on any of that lol. Good to know though.

I'm looking forward to the Pandaren starting area, and will roll my obligatory Monk as soon as i'm back in. i've heard a LOT of good things about the artwork and new detail.
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