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Funny, because just about every review I've ever read regarding 200mm fans state that they are worth it, from several different MFG's, not just NZXT.

 

That's because everyone is under the impression that bigger = better.

 

It's not true, and I've yet to come across a 200mm fan that's worth it in terms of cost or performance. 120mm & 140mm designs have had more thought put into them over the years.

Like wise, they're easier to balance.

 

I have 200mm fans from just about everyone that makes them, none of them are worth their weight in 120mm's.

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That's because everyone is under the impression that bigger = better.

It's not true, and I've yet to come across a 200mm fan that's worth it in terms of cost or performance. 120mm & 140mm designs have had more thought put into them over the years.
Like wise, they're easier to balance.

I have 200mm fans from just about everyone that makes them, none of them are worth their weight in 120mm's.

You had Cooler Master Megaflows(200X30, 110CFM, 19dba)?? they are really quite and moves a lot of air. The point of 200mms is that they move more air at 700 rpm than 120mm at 2000 rpm while remain quieter.
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You had Cooler Master Megaflows(200X30, 110CFM, 19dba)?? they are really quite and moves a lot of air. The point of 200mms is that they move more air at 700 rpm than 120mm at 2000 rpm while remain quieter.

 

You've not heard quiet then. Those fans have a good deal of bearing noise, especially due to the wobble.

 

Like wise, the ratings are completely inaccurate but that's Cooler Master's fault, not the OEMs.

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You've not heard quiet then. Those fans have a good deal of bearing noise, especially due to the wobble.

Like wise, the ratings are completely inaccurate but that's Cooler Master's fault, not the OEMs.

So all fan size beyond 120mm are pointless? From my experience and reviews I seen the 700 rpm retail Megaflows are definitely quiet, the OEM version that runs at 1050rpm in cases like Storm Enforcers are loud but that's no surprise.
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So all fan size beyond 120mm are pointless?

 

No, it's just that most 200mm fans out there at this point are pointless. They're not well designed.

120mm & 140mm fans have had better designs and more thoughtful work put into them.

 

Silverstone's Air Penatrator 180mm fans are pretty nice. Overall I like them; but only due to the thoughtful design, honesty in specs, as well as transparency in bearing type.

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So all fan size beyond 120mm are pointless?

That's not what he is saying. The +140mm are still behind the curve when compared to the 140mm and 120mm fans. The 200mm fans use relatively small/undeveloped motors and bearings compared to the 120mm and 140mm fans. Ones the motors and bearings are improved the 200mm fans will eventually over take the smaller fans. Another issue is like Tator Tot mentioned is that the large fans are not as rigid as the smaller fans and this results in a array of issues that need to be resolved for truly high-performance 200mm fans to hit the market.
    
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Step 1:

Increase the thickness of the fans. 35mm thick should be a good point in which they actually have the structural strength to not be as wobbly

 

Step 2:

Balance the bearings; most bearing designs were only meant from 80mm to 140mm fans. Thus, they need to be reworked & redesigned to support 200mm fans.

Like wise, these bearings were generally meant for 25mm thick fans, not 30mm+ thick ones.

 

Step 3:

Increase the impeller / motor size. This goes into step 2 some; but these long blade designs are simply not efficient nor practical. In the short term they work alright but they'll still die early and have many other issues.

 

Step 4:

Stop using generic blade designs, 200mm fans are not going to be dropped onto a RAD so optimize these bastards for quiet operation & high airflow.

 

Step 5:

Send me one so I can tell you, you're either doing it right or wrong. Also, do proper lab testing and rate your fans to ISO standards.

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Step 4:
Stop using generic blade designs, 200mm fans are not going to be dropped onto a RAD so optimize these bastards for quiet operation & high airflow.

...And for use behind air filters. Pretty please.

Send me an invoice for a few of these when they're made, kthnx. biggrin.gif
    
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Well, adding air filters is a case by case thing (it's sooooo punny...)

 

I would love if manufactures or OEMs would start to include custom dust filters with different filtering ranges for their fans as well as proper use instructions.

 

Like wise, it's a cardinal sin if any case above $150 doesn't have filtered intakes.

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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post

Well, adding air filters is a case by case thing (it's sooooo punny...)

I would love if manufactures or OEMs would start to include custom dust filters with different filtering ranges for their fans as well as proper use instructions.

Like wise, it's a cardinal sin if any case above $150 doesn't have filtered intakes.

i second this, finally got some filters for all my intakes, and now see how much was getting in and is now being caught on the filters, a lot lol
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