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yes science makes risky decisions for reasons. they often do lead to massive jumps in technology.

But this? I still just don't see how doing this will change anything in a good way. other than of course if it works, then I am sure something has been learned and applied to the drilling industry.

Just, there are so many factors and implications that it is impossible to know what sort of repercussions there could be.

What if running the drill so far down, creates enough Vibrations and Sound wavges, that because of the great amount s of preassure could potentially cause unknown adverse repercussions to vartious points around the world.

its possible because it is not Impossible. Just like the chances of this even working in the first place, its just as likely that we could disrupt the natural order of things and really mess something up..

Im not being some DoomDay person, and Im all for advancement of technology when and where it makes sense to do so.
This just makes no sense.
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it still astounds me how many people call for us to explore the great beyond, but no one wants to explore the planet beneath our feet and learn how to live at peace with our own world first. Maybe this leads to more progress in this area?

Because space is a hell of a lot more useful to humanity than taking samples of the mantle.

There are other aspects of our planet that we do not have an appreciable understanding of. The Ocean is really where the emphasis should be, in my opinion, so much potential, from energy to medicinal applications. Space is Cool... But at this point highly unrealistic. We need some serious advances in physics before space travel is remotely relevant.

OT this is pretty interesting, however I still feel that exploring, understanding, and harnessing the oceans is far more important. I wonder what their mechanism will be to bring back fresh samples? How does one transport Magma?
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I sense a new volcanic eruption, the pressure down there must be immense.

Scientists doing risky things and taking a gamble with our planet and yet the average joes just don't get a say in what could be a bad thing for everyone.
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I sense a new volcanic eruption, the pressure down there must be immense.
Scientists doing risky things and taking a gamble with our planet and yet the average joes just don't get a say in what could be a bad thing for everyone.

Yes after reading the article and from my very amateur knowledge of pressure and the earth I cannot think this is a good idea.

This is the same group of people that theorized that setting off a nuclear explosion might ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone. The same group of people that said there was a very small chance the LHC might create a black hole. They still did it in the name of science. Now if you changed that word from science to religion everyone involved would be called a lunatic, and rightfully so.


Frankly I am wondering just when our luck will run out and that scientist that warned "hey, guys this could result in catastrophe" actually becomes prophetic. Why can't they just study the damned magma deep in volcanoes?

Yes I'm sure the dozens of scientists behind this that have likely spent most of their lives studying geology and drilling have no idea what they're doing...

The risk in putting a hole a few inches thick in the mantle that is 3000km thick is next to nothing. The Earth isn't that fragile guys, give it some credit. There are MANY of such holes already in existence (volcanoes), they're just not ripe for studying in this way.
Edited by lordikon - 10/2/12 at 7:04am
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2012 talk isn't all about the end, but more of great change happening.

Actually, it translates into a "great destruction and rebuild"

Think about that for a moment. What did the Mayans build their calendar on? The answer is giant stone tablets. When our calendar is done we take it off the wall and toss it in the garbage. When the Mayans calendar ended they probably figured there was going be some major demo and remodeling going on to put up the new one.

Heh, my own theory anyway.

Also covers the "horrible catastrophe" at the end of the ages. They likely had smaller calendars only depicting the individual ages, but yet none have been found intact. My guess is that they had a custom to destroy them and it was horrible because some poor guy with a stick and a rock spent a long time making it and it was a lot of work to bust up all the rocks
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I love the theory, just as probable as the mayans predicting the end of days, probably more realistic. thumb.gif
 
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I love the theory, just as probable as the mayans predicting the end of days, probably more realistic. thumb.gif

I love how the mayans aren't here to see the day arrive. Call me a skeptic, but I take their predictions with a tiny grain of salt.
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yes science makes risky decisions for reasons. they often do lead to massive jumps in technology.
But this? I still just don't see how doing this will change anything in a good way. other than of course if it works, then I am sure something has been learned and applied to the drilling industry.
Just, there are so many factors and implications that it is impossible to know what sort of repercussions there could be.
What if running the drill so far down, creates enough Vibrations and Sound wavges, that because of the great amount s of preassure could potentially cause unknown adverse repercussions to vartious points around the world.
its possible because it is not Impossible. Just like the chances of this even working in the first place, its just as likely that we could disrupt the natural order of things and really mess something up..
Im not being some DoomDay person, and Im all for advancement of technology when and where it makes sense to do so.
This just makes no sense.

So what do you think about volcanoes? Those are dozens of times bigger than the hole they're going to drill. What is your basis for saying that this is likely to "disrupt the natural order of things and really mess something up"?

Why doesn't this make sense? Knowledge about the mantle can help us learn more about and better prepare for earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc., how the Earth was formed and how it works (could help us find other planets similar to Earth), etc.
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Yes after reading the article and from my very amateur knowledge of pressure and the earth I cannot think this is a good idea.
This is the same group of people that theorized that setting off a nuclear explosion might ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone. The same group of people that said there was a very small chance the LHC might create a black hole. They still did it in the name of science. Now if you changed that word from science to religion everyone involved would be called a lunatic, and rightfully so.
Frankly I am wondering just when our luck will run out and that scientist that warned "hey, guys this could result in catastrophe" actually becomes prophetic. Why can't they just study the damned magma deep in volcanoes?

No, this isn't the same group of people at ALL. Seriously? Do you think nuclear physicists work on deep sea drilling operations aiming for the earth's mantle? The hypothesis that a nuclear bomb could set the atmosphere on fire was disproven before they did the testing. To my knowledge, nobody said the LHC could create a black hole except paranoid conspiracy theorists. A black hole requires an IMMENSE amount of matter (couple times more than our sun, I believe). Smashing a couple of atoms (if that) together isn't going to create a black hole.

I don't know how people get these skewed ideas of science... The internet is at your fingertips people, do some research before spreading misinformation, layman speculation, and insane hypotheses.
Edited by Fortunex - 10/2/12 at 7:57am
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Yes I'm sure the dozens of scientists behind this that have likely spent most of their lives studying geology and drilling have no idea what they're doing...

They're never done it before, so NO, they don't know what they're doing do they? rolleyes.gif

May I remind people of Parícutin!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post

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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

Yes I'm sure the dozens of scientists behind this that have likely spent most of their lives studying geology and drilling have no idea what they're doing...

They're never done it before, so NO, they don't know what they're doing do they? rolleyes.gif

May I remind people of Parícutin!

The guys who went to the Moon for the first time knew what they were doing. The team that landed the Curiosity rover on Mars knew what they were doing. Educated guesses go a long way sometimes.
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