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its all possible though. Do you know how Vibrations effect matter down in the mantel?
I sure dont. Enough of a reason for me to question it.
But with the Mantle thing, you must understand how powerful sound waves are and vibrations can be especially at depth. Just doesnt sound like it is worth finding out.

how does this make any sense?
ever heard of earthquakes? literally thousands of cubic meters of earth shifting. explain to me how the world hasnt shattered at this point under your current theory. theres no possible way that much mass suddenly lurching isnt going to effect the mantle, and yet almost nothing can be felt by those on the other side of an ocean. a 30cm drill will make nothing happen
    
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You're talking about two different pots of money.
The money that goes to schools come from taxes paid by corporations, citizens, imports, etc. The government is all tapped out of money. If you want more money to education then they need to pull money out of something else, like defense spending, or they would need to increase taxes so that they would have more money to spend.
The $1 billion you're talking about is likely money from donations, grants, and corporations, and the government has no say in what this stuff is spent on, so unless a bunch of corporations feel like giving money to the government to do its job for them, it's just not going to happen.
Just so we're clear, the $1 billion that is going towards this research was likely not money out of taxpayer's pockets.

imagine the diamonds you may find
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how does this make any sense?
ever heard of earthquakes? literally thousands of cubic meters of earth shifting. explain to me how the world hasnt shattered at this point under your current theory. theres no possible way that much mass suddenly lurching isnt going to effect the mantle, and yet almost nothing can be felt by those on the other side of an ocean. a 30cm drill will make nothing happen

But just Like I cant speak with certainty, neither should you or anyone. and I never said that a drill was going to shatter the earth, and if I did it was in jest and in thought of the 2012 Movie.

the only thing Im sure of, is that it wont be worth doing ;p

and that there are possible repercussions that I doubt we have much info on.
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You're talking about two different pots of money.
The money that goes to schools come from taxes paid by corporations, citizens, imports, etc. The government is all tapped out of money. If you want more money to education then they need to pull money out of something else, like defense spending, or they would need to increase taxes so that they would have more money to spend.
The $1 billion you're talking about is likely money from donations, grants, and corporations, and the government has no say in what this stuff is spent on, so unless a bunch of corporations feel like giving money to the government to do its job for them, it's just not going to happen.
Just so we're clear, the $1 billion that is going towards this research was likely not money out of taxpayer's pockets.

imagine the diamonds you may find

It is thought that the inner and outer core mostly consist of heavy elements like iron and nickel, while light elements like carbon, or heavier elements (like uranium) that often bond with lighter elements would be in or near the Earth's crust.

It's possible they would drill through diamond on the way down though, although I don't know enough about drilling to know if they would realize if they struck diamond based on how it would affect drilling.
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You can drill through kimberlite. It just takes a lot longer.
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It is thought that the inner and outer core mostly consist of heavy elements like iron and nickel, while light elements like carbon, or heavier elements (like uranium) that often bond with lighter elements would be in or near the Earth's crust.
It's possible they would drill through diamond on the way down though, although I don't know enough about drilling to know if they would realize if they struck diamond based on how it would affect drilling.


ya we really dont know what is down their. but finding diamonds as close to the surface as we have been able to find. its probably a better chance to find them the deeper we go because the heat and pressure.
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You realize that in the scale of things, drilling with a 30cm or even 1m wide drill through the earths crust is equivalent to getting injected by a hypodermic needle thousands (or millions?) of times thinner than what we use now for medical applications, and asking ourselves if the patient will die of bleeding once we remove it ...

In the ballpark our blood pressure vs. the atmosphere difference is not that far from the "omg-earth-will-implode/explode" fear expressed by many posts...guess what: earth won't give a @@ about that puncture. The oceans contain huge in comparison fault "lava leaks" daily, and that's not even close to the oceanic volcanoes etc

The crust is thinner (yet not softer) under the oceans, exactly because the water makes the liquid matter flowing around the mantle harden faster (think of it as air cooling vs. water cooling in a way), plus the crust is also a dynamic "piece" with huge amounts of matter being melted and carried away by the lava streams underneath it, while materials from all over the earth's mass get deposited in their place.

Scientists trying to sneak peak to this amazing process and do a tiny bit more than sitting in a chair speculating about it in the expense of a couple of billions over half a decade of applied research is much much better than the billions ruled for "losses" in the patent wars court rooms, the billions in lawyer fees for the former, or the over-inflated balloons in the wall street slot machines every single day.

I guess for some the CERN accelerator is also useless, but for some how much more useful it is than those F-22s that American tax payers spend 80 billions for, eh?
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You realize that in the scale of things, drilling with a 30cm or even 1m wide drill through the earths crust is equivalent to getting injected by a hypodermic needle thousands (or millions?) of times thinner than what we use now for medical applications, and asking ourselves if the patient will die of bleeding once we remove it ...
In the ballpark our blood pressure vs. the atmosphere difference is not that far from the "omg-earth-will-implode/explode" fear expressed by many posts...guess what: earth won't give a @@ about that puncture. The oceans contain huge in comparison fault "lava leaks" daily, and that's not even close to the oceanic volcanoes etc
The crust is thinner (yet not softer) under the oceans, exactly because the water makes the liquid matter flowing around the mantle harden faster (think of it as air cooling vs. water cooling in a way), plus the crust is also a dynamic "piece" with huge amounts of matter being melted and carried away by the lava streams underneath it, while materials from all over the earth's mass get deposited in their place.
Scientists trying to sneak peak to this amazing process and do a tiny bit more than sitting in a chair speculating about it in the expense of a couple of billions over half a decade of applied research is much much better than the billions ruled for "losses" in the patent wars court rooms, the billions in lawyer fees for the former, or the over-inflated balloons in the wall street slot machines every single day.
I guess for some the CERN accelerator is also useless, but for some how much more useful it is than those F-22s that American tax payers spend 80 billions for, eh?

i think people forget that volcanoes exist, a zit popping on the earth for comparison. and after a time the volcanoes stops and the world keeps turning like it always has been rolleyes.gif
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But just Like I cant speak with certainty, neither should you or anyone. and I never said that a drill was going to shatter the earth, and if I did it was in jest and in thought of the 2012 Movie.
the only thing Im sure of, is that it wont be worth doing ;p
and that there are possible repercussions that I doubt we have much info on.

no im pretty sure there is relative certainty as to what will/wont happen. volcanoes and earthquakes cause shifts and vibrations in the crust of a magnitude probably millions of times stronger than what this drill will do. volcanoes are essentially a giant tap into the earth. have you seen how lava acts on the sea floor? it literally just oozes out of cracks/vents unless theres a high pressure situation. i would hope its safe to assume that the people heading this little project have seismic readings and other evidence to show that the area theyre drilling isnt going to be a "high pressure area"

by your reasoning we should also never assume the sun will rise, or that any number of freak accidents that could happen at any given moment wont. we should all live in fear of anything that has even the smallest potential chance of happening. i'll see you in my mountain bunker with padded walls dressed in at least 3 feet of bubble wrap topped with tin foil and full rubber gear underneath (including boots) for potential spontaneous combustion due to static.

you never know, it could happen. just like a 30 cm drill somehow triggering some potentially catastrophic event. wink.gif
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If it was under as much pressure as you seem to think it is, every volcano on Earth would be erupting...
You do realise that Volcanos almost always have blockages and are not just an open path to the surface? And what happens when the pressure builds enough behind these blockages... That's right, an erruption.

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You don't see much of a difference between a 30cm radius hole (full of drill shaft, I might add), and something the size of a volcano? Really?
Nope, read above, volcanoes almost always have a cap that keeps the pressurized magma contained.

And the magma under those volcanos that are not fully sealed is in pools in the bedrock, which has traversed it's way up through the crust through seismic events (ie. tectonic plate movement) and cracks etc and as such is not under as much pressure from when it was under the crust and has cooled substantially.

What these scientists are considering, is digging straight down through the entire crust to reach the upper mantle directly...


Reading between the lines, I'd be more inclined to think that this mission is more a mining experiment masked as a science mission tbh. The upper mantel is rich in iron and magnesium, as well as aluminum and olivine etc. If they could control it correctly, they could end up with a self pumping flow of magma and an endless flow of metals and minerals that are more abundant in the mantel and valuable to us on the surface.
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