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First inmate: I'm doing 2 years for a B&E (breaking and entering), one of the residents was pushed and fell through her glass table almost killing her. What about you?

Second inmate: I downloaded episode 3 season 2 of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

First inmate: I think I will rent you to the other inmates for 5 cigarettes each.

Second inmate: weirdsmiley.gif
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Originally Posted by prava View Post

Law is nonsense ATM. There should be no punishment when there is no loss... and because nobody can demonstrate that pirating = loss, there is nothing to punish IN FACT.
You know, If I buy a book, I own it... and can give it to anybody. Instead, I can't do that with anything digital for god knows what stupid reason... and thus why such laws should change.
You see, when you steal something you are taking ownership over a good, and leaving somebody without it... but when you are sharing files with other people, nobody loses ownership and a ton of people actually gets it.

This analogy isn't quite accurate. When you lend someone a book you don't generate a copy of it and hand it to them. There remains a single copy of that book. Nothing is copied hence no copyright infringement. We all understand that buying a copy of Harry Potter doesn't give you the rights to start printing your own books to hand out. The same would hold true with music and media. The exclusivity of the source of the content is what is necessary for revenue generation. Sure, some people might offer examples that disprove this on occasion, but on the whole it remains true. Being the owner of the media entitles you to determine its method of distribution. It is your property after all. If an amateur band or author want to offer their work for free via torrent that is their right as the owner of the content. Likewise, if they decide to start charging for their media once enough interest is generated that is also their right. Every complaint otherwise is irrelevant. What a person thinks they are "entitled" to or semantic debates concerning the nature of "theft" are tangential. Piracy does lead to lost revenue. Perhaps not to anywhere near the degree that is claimed, but if you really only had one path to get a copy of Mass Effect (in a world without piracy) then the conclusion is self-evident.

I certainly agree that this penalty is onerous. The copyright laws are born from the days when people were both forced to and desired to own copies of various media. In the realm of music and video media, this is becoming less of the case in our modern age. People wish to consume media at their leisure with little lasting investment. The large media companies are either ignorant of this fact or unwilling to accept it; or both. Law always lags behind, and often enough over reacts to a perceived issue. Perhaps as younger people enter legislative positions a major shift might occur both in copyright law and penalization that reflect the manner in which consumers utilize content. I'm sure there is a reasonable way to make sure people can safely consume and share media while making sure the copyright holders see a benefit. Passing a law like this is certainly not the way.
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Bottom line ... don't steal something that isn't yours.
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"Hey why are you in jail"
"I downloaded a couple of MP3s and The Avengers....How about you?"
"I killed my wife and two children...With a pencil"


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Originally Posted by Solarin View Post


This analogy isn't quite accurate. When you lend someone a book you don't generate a copy of it and hand it to them. There remains a single copy of that book. Nothing is copied hence no copyright infringement. We all understand that buying a copy of Harry Potter doesn't give you the rights to start printing your own books to hand out. The same would hold true with music and media. The exclusivity of the source of the content is what is necessary for revenue generation. Sure, some people might offer examples that disprove this on occasion, but on the whole it remains true. Being the owner of the media entitles you to determine its method of distribution. It is your property after all. If an amateur band or author want to offer their work for free via torrent that is their right as the owner of the content. Likewise, if they decide to start charging for their media once enough interest is generated that is also their right. Every complaint otherwise is irrelevant. What a person thinks they are "entitled" to or semantic debates concerning the nature of "theft" are tangential. Piracy does lead to lost revenue. Perhaps not to anywhere near the degree that is claimed, but if you really only had one path to get a copy of Mass Effect (in a world without piracy) then the conclusion is self-evident.

I interpreted his statement slightly differently. Most legally purchased digital content is tied to an account. This account is nontransferable and you can't return or give away things tied to that account. Games, music, books, each one tied permanently to an account. I have several video games I don't play anymore and I would like to sell/lend/give away, but I can't because they're permanently tied to my account. If I want a friend to experience a particular game, I have to buy another copy, I can't give up mine. This generates extra revenue that otherwise wouldn't happen and should offset at least a portion of any losses, perceived or actual, caused by piracy.
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"Hey why are you in jail"
"I downloaded a couple of MP3s and The Avengers....How about you?"
"I killed my wife and two children...With a pencil"
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Yeah it's pretty dumb, just like how people go to jail in the States for smoking a bit of pot.

There was a huge Dutch/Swiss study done of the effects of piracy and the general conclusion was that it had no substantial effect on revenue. As such, the Swiss decided to keep piracy legal for personal use.

http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/dam/data/pressemitteilung/2011/2011-11-30/ber-br-d.pdf
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Wonder if they really enforce their law? That will be ridiculous if say 50% population in jail. How much jail upkeep they need to be??
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Wonder if they really enforce their law? That will be ridiculous if say 50% population in jail. How much jail upkeep they need to be??
The question is who is going to judge the judges and the the government representatives? International court? smile.gif
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but most don't do this. I'd say 90% of people that pirate music would read "FLAC" and be like "WTH is that???"
Pretty naive conclusion I would say.
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Yeah, crush the little guy when their real target should be..................
The war on piracy has sunk to the same level as the war on drugs.
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This analogy isn't quite accurate. When you lend someone a book you don't generate a copy of it and hand it to them. There remains a single copy of that book. Nothing is copied hence no copyright infringement. We all understand that buying a copy of Harry Potter doesn't give you the rights to start printing your own books to hand out. The same would hold true with music and media. The exclusivity of the source of the content is what is necessary for revenue generation. Sure, some people might offer examples that disprove this on occasion, but on the whole it remains true. Being the owner of the media entitles you to determine its method of distribution. It is your property after all. If an amateur band or author want to offer their work for free via torrent that is their right as the owner of the content. Likewise, if they decide to start charging for their media once enough interest is generated that is also their right. Every complaint otherwise is irrelevant. What a person thinks they are "entitled" to or semantic debates concerning the nature of "theft" are tangential. Piracy does lead to lost revenue. Perhaps not to anywhere near the degree that is claimed, but if you really only had one path to get a copy of Mass Effect (in a world without piracy) then the conclusion is self-evident.

There is no proof, actually.

Piracy leads to 2 very different things:
a) Free exposure.
b) Free content.

The fact of the matter is the following: we don't know which outweighs which. And this is a fact, a lot of people I know (including myself) only go to the cinema when we know that a movie is good... and you know what we do to know whether its worth going or not wink.gif If we had to pay... then I'd never go. Its as simple as that, I'm not paying for something I might like, specially now that the bad content is so common in general.

For instance, I buy 99% of the computer games I play.. because I like them. I certainly "try" games because, you know, there are no refunds and I say no to this stupid practice. I like something? I pay. I don't? Then I don't. Just because media is based on licenses and not on physical goods means that I should accept this stupid nonsense that is everywhere this days.

In terms of music... I don't expend a dime, but I do go to concerts now and then... of groups I've found "trying" music. Its as simple as that, the times in which people would hand their money blind-sighted are over, its either try or I won't buy.

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Bottom line ... don't steal something that isn't yours.

Bottom line: try to read a bit more and you will (maybe) understand the difference between piracy and theft.
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