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Good. Illegal piracy and illegal downloads deserves punishment and penalties. Just wonder why they haven't wised up sooner.

+1 for a smart move. Anyone who disagrees that piracy is bad is a simple fool who probably pirates themselves.
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Originally Posted by Acefire View Post

Good. Illegal piracy and illegal downloads deserves punishment and penalties. Just wonder why they haven't wised up sooner.
+1 for a smart move. Anyone who disagrees that piracy is bad is a simple fool who probably pirates themselves.

The open mind is strong in this one.
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Originally Posted by prava View Post

There is no proof, actually.
Piracy leads to 2 very different things:
a) Free exposure.
b) Free content.
The fact of the matter is the following: we don't know which outweighs which. And this is a fact, a lot of people I know (including myself) only go to the cinema when we know that a movie is good... and you know what we do to know whether its worth going or not wink.gif If we had to pay... then I'd never go. Its as simple as that, I'm not paying for something I might like, specially now that the bad content is so common in general.
For instance, I buy 99% of the computer games I play.. because I like them. I certainly "try" games because, you know, there are no refunds and I say no to this stupid practice. I like something? I pay. I don't? Then I don't. Just because media is based on licenses and not on physical goods means that I should accept this stupid nonsense that is everywhere this days.
In terms of music... I don't expend a dime, but I do go to concerts now and then... of groups I've found "trying" music. Its as simple as that, the times in which people would hand their money blind-sighted are over, its either try or I won't buy.
Bottom line: try to read a bit more and you will (maybe) understand the difference between piracy and theft.

Why would you go see a movie...after you have seen it?

No one buys music before they have "tried" it...it is called radio, videos, or concerts. I don't see people paying money for any thing that is freely given. Not even the candy for donations to find missing kids lasts long enough to fill up the quarter slots. That is just the way things are. People are evil, disgusting, self serving creatures at our core. It is instinct. There are a few people that deviate a little from that...hell, I am probably as close being one as you can find. Those people are the very large minority and now I have no statistical proof and there never will be any. Setup a stand that says free hotdogs and try to get volunteer donations. Perhaps in the right area of town you might get a decent amount, but I doubt sites like the The Pirate Bay are "the best places in town on the internet" for such things.

And I hate that whole piracy is not theft debate...of course it isn't. Just like bank robbery is not embezzlement. They are just different crimes. Doesn't make it any less wrong or change they fact that you now are in possession of something that you should have had to work or pay for. If you eat a sandwich you have to pay for a sandwich...simple as that. It doesn't make a difference if your were not happy with your sandwich. If there is something wrong with it you can typically get a different one in exchange, but never a refund...especially if you ate the thing. I always chuckle when I see people in a restaurant asking for the manager because they were not happy with their meal, but they ate it. They never get anything but an apology.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/5/12 at 1:47pm
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Good. Illegal piracy and illegal downloads deserves punishment and penalties. Just wonder why they haven't wised up sooner.
+1 for a smart move. Anyone who disagrees that piracy is bad is a simple fool who probably pirates themselves.

I feel this could hurt fansubs and the anime community. I really don't consider watching fansubbed anime before it comes to America all that bad. There are thousands of shows that will never come to america and we really have no way to get them without importing them and having to deal with discs that won't play correctly. This is why groups release them with english subtitles. I don't support dubs, they are usually terrible but I generally do buy the stuff after it releases in america, but only if it remains uncensored and has the original japanese track.

I do agree piracy is bad, but when you are left with the options: don't watch something at all because it doesn't exist in your country or download it. Is it really that bad? They won't get your money either way if they are not releasing it in your country.
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You know what I use to convince people to buy music? I get them to break out their phone or MP3 player and pick a song I have gotten legit, they play it and listen, then they listen to mine. Almost immediately I hear "wow, sounds clearer". I dunno where most "pirates" download their music but its most often terrible quality with lots of noise and static in the background, and its extremely obvious when listening to headphones. I can't listen to music people give me in my headphones most of the time because they don't pay for it.
Sure, some of the pirated stuff is decent, most of it is low quality rips and the like. The music industry could do well in advertising that fact alone. I love clear crisp sounding audio. And I'm willing to pay for it for sure. So stuff like Jimi, The Beatles, Doors, Yarbirds, etc has to sound the best to me, especially since the recording tech back then wasn't as great, so the sound quality to me is ever more important.
99.9999999999% of all piracy is not a lost sale as there would not have been a sale in the first place. All it does is get the artist known and listened to, thus making them more popular, having a better chance at publicity and therefore selling more CD's and merch. If Piracy could be stopped tomorrow, the MPAA and RIAA would freak out... They want to make as much money as possible, but they see the potential there is as well, they just want to make sure pirating is not easy for the majority of users IMO. They may be greedy, but they are not stupid.

There are private trackers out there that require invites and have 100% lossless music of pretty much every album ever made and every version it was ever released in. These sites even have expensive MSFL rips and vinyl rips, things you can't even buy anymore that have far better sound quality than that CD you just bought. Every torrent is active because a seed ratio is required.

Piracy has gotten to the point where you get a superior product for free, if you know where to look. That's whats going wrong with many legit purchases and something companies are failing to understand. Why do legit buyers need to sit through 20 minutes of previews, and 3 minutes of unskippable warnings to watch something? It's not going to make someone stop pirating, it going to make them pirate. Rootkits, DRM, etc are all causing the same thing.

I feel I am in the minority because I buy my stuff. I buy it, then remove the menus and warnings myself which is a huge gray area and a pain. No matter what it seems the legit buyer cannot win anymore. They will never stop piracy, but the best way to combat piracy is to stop throwing ads, previews, drm, warnings, etc on legit purchases. People should not have to pay for an inferior product.
Edited by Murlocke - 10/5/12 at 2:17pm
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