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I don't get it. So you'll be able to open the steam application on Linux? whoopdidoooo -_- 1 or 2 games? Whoopidoo.
I know it's a sign for things to come, but this doesn't force developers to port the game over. So what? You think 50 million users will just switch over to Linux and there won't be any issues? What's the security of Linux? Just like there used to be no reason to distribute a virus to Macs, there isn't much of a current reason to do so with Linux. What if that changes? Can Linux get the support that it's need to continually get security patches and optimizations. I mean do games really play that differently between a Linux system and a windows system? royalty
do you think that developers would drop the cost of their games even though they would no longer have to pay windows royalty fees? Of course not, they've been getting away with $60 games now, why would they go backwards

It's not about making people switch from Windows to Linux. It's about the millions of Linux users getting a chance to play games without having to emulate them, or buy a Windows license ( I for one do not own one at all, and the only Windows machine in this household is my gf's netbook ).

And Linux is just inherently more secure by design, and that when an exploit is found it can and usually is patched within a few hours to a week at most, before the different distributions push out the update. It's one of the great things about open source, and the community. And there's already plenty of reasons for exploits to be sought after, see'ing as the majority of servers are *nix based, and there is a lot of information on them, more so than on any single home users computer.

And the few times an exploit is discovered, it's usually due to an application opening it up *cough java cough*.

Steam and games coming to Linux also open up the gates for OEM's, Software Developers, Hardware manufaturers, and the likes to start taking it more seriously as a desktop operating system. And while a lot of OEM's already offer distro's such as Ubuntu or Fedora, they aren't usually publically shown or the option is hidden away on the site.

So if Valve can proove that there is a desktop audience with Linux who are willing to pay ( has to be the biggest misconception about Linux, people think since it's free we're freeloaders ), then it could potentially open the doors to much much greater things.

But someone has to start it. And Valve/Steam is taking that chance.
Edited by Shrak - 10/2/12 at 10:20am
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^ I just built an extra linux box for this with pieces I had laying around. I really hope it takes off for the reasons listed above. I use linux on 3/4 computers I own. Still working on getting my CIFs to play nice with the linux boxes though.
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It will be interesting to see how accurate that is though. I don't mean to sound elitist or anything, but I kind of suspect that a lot of people who say they only use windows because linux has few games haven't actually used linux a significant amount. Hopefully though people will actually make the switch smile.gif

And those of us that have used Linux a significant amount? I mean GRANTED the last time I touched a Linux distro was 2 years ago. But I was heavily into Red Hat and Fedora. While Ubuntu showed potential I was spending 5 to 6 hours a day just trying to surf through the linux forums to get answers to the most basic of questions. I never did get my sound, microphone, or webcam working. And despite being listed as GOLD RATED on wine (which I later believe doesn't mean much of a darned thing) I could never get any game that I really cared to play to work.

I've never had a driver problem with audio recently, on about 6 separate computers nearly everything worked OOTB on Arch and what wasn't working straight OOTB on Arch worked OOTB on Ubuntu. (Laptops WiFi)

As for Wine, I had plenty of games running on it perfectly fine...The only ones I had to do really anything other than installing Winetricks and installing a few applications that you need on Windows anyway was for Fallout 3 and NV.

I see a lot of people complain about drivers, but I've never seen the issues they get, admittedly I haven't really tried it on X-Fis and the like but my Xonar DX works OOTB in Arch with ALSA or OSSv4 or OOTB in Ubuntu, as does the various Realtek chipsets on other motherboards, literally, I boot up the LiveCD and its working in that, if I wanted to install the proper proprietary drivers then it's simply running an application that does it all for me then rebooting. Linux will take off eventually but it's a gradual process, it's more of a hobby and less of a product...It'll be around in 100 years because someone will always port it to whatever we're using by then, Windows? Can't say the same, what if MS makes a few bad decisions and lose a lot of marketshare?
    
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maybe they should work on making steam for osx less a pile of crap as well. i mean it crashes more than half the time i use it. seriously valve, seriously???

i'd question whether they can make anything decent for a non-windows platform based on my experience. if it's anything like the osx version, it will be entirely worthless
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maybe they should work on making steam for osx less a pile of crap as well. i mean it crashes more than half the time i use it. seriously valve, seriously???
i'd question whether they can make anything decent for a non-windows platform based on my experience. if it's anything like the osx version, it will be entirely worthless

No!!! Anything to not facilitate peoples decisions in buying a Mac.
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Or.... you could download Linux for free and save that $100 for something better than a Windows OS.

As I said before, pre-empting a response like this:
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I agree, and the BIGGEST question of them all.... "All of my games and apps run on Windows, I know how to use Windows, the $30-80 cost is not an issue (or bundled with a new PC), I have few problems with Windows, and everyone else uses Windows... what's the incentive for me to switch when it costs me time to re-learn, money to get new tools that work with Linux, and effort to switch things over, with many of my programs/games not running at all on it? Why bother?"

In other words... total cost of ownership is higher with Linux regardless for a workstation, not to mention many tools simply don't even run at all on it.

P.S. I don't view money for Windows licenses as something I could have spent on better stuff... it's an amazing, solid desktop operating system and enables my livelihood.
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Really this depends on how they implement Steam game installs. The client will be native but will the games be too? I am sure they can port their own games but the rest of the games will need Wine in some form to run. If they can include the PLayOnLinux 'bottle' type installs for these games then I am on board.
I currently run Steam in PlayOnLinux and it runs great... I have only Metro 2033, Rage and Spec Ops The Line installed so far and they install from Steam just like normal, downloading necessary files in the process. Out of those 3, only Spec Ops doesn't work... it loads but nothing happens when coming to the main menu. The other two run beautifully with everything working as it does in Windows.
Really gaming on Linux is pretty good at this point, if you haven't tried in a year or two you might want to come back and try it again. Not every game works, obviously, but the list of games not working tends to be much smaller than the games that do. Linux software moves fast, it's not like in Windows where everything is closed source so no one can work on it. I am getting updates almost everyday in Mint 13 KDE edition.

I think steam should intertwine with play on linx and wine so that you can run steam for linux native and native games natively but, allow you to play windows games on wine if at all possible, through the native steam.
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No!!! Anything to not facilitate peoples decisions in buying a Mac.

mac is still more mainstream than linux. i think that investing in linux is a cool idea in theory, but it's such a small percentage of the population, it doesn't necessarily seem like a super hot business decision. if they make a true android desktop version, that could gain more mainstream appeal
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I think steam should intertwine with play on linx and wine so that you can run steam for linux native and native games natively but, allow you to play windows games on wine if at all possible, through the native steam.
There would be no guarantee or support for such a thing.
Plus, you don't want to give devs a reason to "oh, they could just play it with the compatibility layer so we don't have to port it".
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There would be no guarantee or support for such a thing.
Plus, you don't want to give devs a reason to "oh, they could just play it with the compatibility layer so we don't have to port it".

Of course it wouldn't be qaurenteed but, it keep you form having to log in and out of native and wine clients.
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