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My only take on VM's is that I'd be too lazy to use the VM and instead just end up using the host system instead of the VM. Although that's just me, great for certain things, but the way my mind works and learns is by just hitting things head on.
Otherwise if you aren't like me, then a VM is a great learning tool. smile.gif

That's kind of where I'm at presently. VM's to me are sort of like when I got my Asus Transformer Prime...It took me awhile to work it into my daily work flow to really be useful. I still end up doing a lot of things on my phone because it's been in my life for years and the tablet hasn't. At the moment getting a *nix OS up and running is more of a priority than learning a new set of tools.
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My only take on VM's is that I'd be too lazy to use the VM and instead just end up using the host system instead of the VM. Although that's just me, great for certain things, but the way my mind works and learns is by just hitting things head on.
Otherwise if you aren't like me, then a VM is a great learning tool. smile.gif

I see the reverse to be true. If I'm already booted into an OS then I can't be bothered to reboot just to run one specific program. So I'll do everything in my power to get said program to run in the Os I'm already booted in (I've spent days trying to get Ableton to run in Wine because I couldn't be bothered to boot into Windows - before giving up and installing Windows in a VM. Now I happily run Ableton whenever I want rather than pratting about with substandard tools)

I guess it's each to their own. I tend to have a ton of open apps at any one time, so the thought of having to close everything down to reboot seems completely backwards to me
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I see the reverse to be true. If I'm already booted into an OS then I can't be bothered to reboot just to run one specific program. So I'll do everything in my power to get said program to run in the Os I'm already booted in (I've spent days trying to get Ableton to run in Wine because I couldn't be bothered to boot into Windows - before giving up and installing Windows in a VM. Now I happily run Ableton whenever I want rather than pratting about with substandard tools)
I guess it's each to their own. I tend to have a ton of open apps at any one time, so the thought of having to close everything down to reboot seems completely backwards to me

Good to know things like Ableton work in a VM. The only reason I'm not running a dedicated Nix box is because I don't have the parts for my new gaming rig in yet. Once that happens my sig rig will become dedicated to Nix and sit between the new "main" rig and the G5. The long term goal is to minimize Window's role in my life to just gaming and use Nix for everything else, just may take a bit to get there.
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Good to know things like Ableton work in a VM. The only reason I'm not running a dedicated Nix box is because I don't have the parts for my new gaming rig in yet. Once that happens my sig rig will become dedicated to Nix and sit between the new "main" rig and the G5. The long term goal is to minimize Window's role in my life to just gaming and use Nix for everything else, just may take a bit to get there.

Ableton only just runs in a VM though. If I ever get time, I'm going to try KVM and/or Xen to see if -or rather how much better- they perform compared to VirtualBox.
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I see the reverse to be true. If I'm already booted into an OS then I can't be bothered to reboot just to run one specific program. So I'll do everything in my power to get said program to run in the Os I'm already booted in (I've spent days trying to get Ableton to run in Wine because I couldn't be bothered to boot into Windows - before giving up and installing Windows in a VM. Now I happily run Ableton whenever I want rather than pratting about with substandard tools)
I guess it's each to their own. I tend to have a ton of open apps at any one time, so the thought of having to close everything down to reboot seems completely backwards to me

Well I don't dual boot Windows so ... if it isn't made for Linux I can live without it, lol. I can't even be bothered to install Wine. Over the years I've found plenty of Linux equivalants to most Windows programs, mainly for family as to make an easy transition for them.

Or I can reach to my right and steal my gf's netbook if I really need to run a windows program smile.gif
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I am and have been for a very long time - seriously guilty - of being an habitual dual booter . Not on every machine but on most . I see no issue with dual booting , that was until "Secure boot showed it's ugly head .
But back to topic I would suggest as a starting point that the OP should download a variety of live CDs and just see what is out there and try out a few different Distros with a few different DEs and see what is out there that he likes .
Suggestions -- Mint -- Debian -- Bodhi -- Suse -- Varios 'buntu flavours -- and maybe even Mepis .
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But back to topic I would suggest as a starting point that the OP should download a variety of live CDs and just see what is out there and try out a few different Distros with a few different DEs and see what is out there that he likes .
Suggestions -- Mint -- Debian -- Bodhi -- Suse -- Varios 'buntu flavours -- and maybe even Mepis .

Of which I don't see a point. Too many of the same base. Why download various ubuntu's when if you really want to try a different DE, just install the different DE on the current install.

Why spent 10 minutes or more reinstalling a whole new distro, just to try a different DE which can be downloaded and installed in less time and less hassle?
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Well I don't dual boot Windows so ... if it isn't made for Linux I can live without it, lol. I can't even be bothered to install Wine. Over the years I've found plenty of Linux equivalants to most Windows programs, mainly for family as to make an easy transition for them.
Or I can reach to my right and steal my gf's netbook if I really need to run a windows program smile.gif

Yeah, Ableton wouldn't run on a netbook - or at least not to the extent were it would be usable. and I've tried other Linux DAWs and have hated nearly all of them. frown.gif
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I am and have been for a very long time - seriously guilty - of being an habitual dual booter . Not on every machine but on most . I see no issue with dual booting , that was until "Secure boot showed it's ugly head .
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Suggestions -- Mint -- Debian -- Bodhi -- Suse -- Varios 'buntu flavours -- and maybe even Mepis .

At some point I might look more closely at the examples of the major base forms of Linux and dabble in them but for now I've gone with FreeBSD. BSD and CentOS are the installs that have lived the longest on my *nix box till it's recent demise. I did BSD because it just kind of called to me (Don't life y'all) and CentOS was for the fact it behaves like RHEL and I was toying with the idea of RHEL certs at one point.

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Of which I don't see a point. Too many of the same base. Why download various ubuntu's when if you really want to try a different DE, just install the different DE on the current install.
Why spent 10 minutes or more reinstalling a whole new distro, just to try a different DE which can be downloaded and installed in less time and less hassle?

That was sort of the logic I had when I decided on dual booting originally, though I can see the logic in making a few Live CD's with different DE/WM's to dabble into without having to commit to a full install.


Current State

I took the plunge and I have a dual boot system, mostly. Primary disk is Win XP64 2nd physical disk is FreeBSD 9. I can choose which way I boot by bringing up the boot device selector during boot up and selecting the drive I want to boot form. I haven't gotten a boat loader on the primary (XP64) drive yet though I might at some point. As I might have mentioned in the OP that I haven't had a *nix GUI installed in some years as I've worked mostly via SSHing in via Putty and running around in CLI only. My next step is to getting X Windows up and running so I have some form of GUI to use. I'm noticing BSD doesn't seem to have an option for X as part of the initial install like it did at one time. This isn't a major setback or deterrent as between FreeBSD's site, google and many a desperate question or two on a few forums I can overcome most hurdles without too much hair loss smile.gif. While this might be the more complicated approach I'm thinking it might be the more rewarding in the long run is to try the suggestion of setting up just a WM and then adding in the additional elements I might find useful/desired eg. dock/launcher, panel, etc. I have a funny feeling my tablet is about to see a lot more usage in this process than it normally gets around the home office normally. Feel free to let me know if I'm about to leap off a cliff and face plant or something thumb.gif
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Of which I don't see a point. Too many of the same base. Why download various ubuntu's when if you really want to try a different DE, just install the different DE on the current install.
Why spent 10 minutes or more reinstalling a whole new distro, just to try a different DE which can be downloaded and installed in less time and less hassle?
I said "live CD" meaning booting the live CD without installing - Primarily to see what he likes without altering his system .
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