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What could Nvidia possibly do to MSI?

Declare breach of contract and prevent them from producing more cards? Slap them with a fine? Something along those lines.
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A lot of you probably don't care, but as someone who no longer overclocks his GPUs, I hope Nvidia comes down hard on MSI.
And to those of you obviously not reading the article, MSI is overvolting a PWM, not the core.

Why do you want Nvidia to come down hard on MSI?
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What could Nvidia possibly do to MSI?

Didn't Nvidia get angry at XFX? Pretty sure they had some sort of dispute that led to XFX being AMD only these days.
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What could Nvidia possibly do to MSI?

In addition to what PiofPie suggested, maybe delay parts shipments? Charge them more in the future? Limit their ability/designs for non-reference designs?

I don't know how all of the manufacturing and contracts work, but I'm sure Nvidia do something if they choose to.
 
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And I should care about this why?
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Yea I'm a little confused about what's wrong here. My card is doing just fine.
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What could Nvidia possibly do to MSI?

In addition to what PiofPie suggested, maybe delay parts shipments? Charge them more in the future? Limit their ability/designs for non-reference designs?

I don't know how all of the manufacturing and contracts work, but I'm sure Nvidia do something if they choose to.

If Asus did the same thing as MSI, would Nvidia really terminate contracts with both Asus and MSI? That is quite a lot of big partners to lose.
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And I should care about this why?
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Originally Posted by jivenjune View Post

Although the amount of volts being delivered is something to be concerned about, I wasn't aware that increasing the voltages to overclock a GPU was considered cheating.

To those wondering what the disadvantages are, I can see two immediate reasons:

First, I would feel cheated if it were not a better part of the wafer, innately better at OC'ing than that of one that requires +Volts for claimed factory speeds(unless it were a redesigned PCB+Vregs).

Second, you should care because it could lower your potential voltage overhead, out of spec, meaning less OC after the factory applied one at less desirable temps.
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The company getting caught cheating by running components out of spec in order to maximize the GPU boost feature is worrying, but I could still forgive them if they had apologized and said that something during QC failed and that they thought the cards would work, but then I read their answer:
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We are currently not aware of any other vendor providing this same level of performance and we’ve worked with NVIDIA to ensure that new production models will limit this free overclock boost you currently get. Our new production models with normal GPU Boost function will be on sale next month.

This is the pinnacle of arrogance. I won't be buying a GPU from MSI any time soon.

They managed to write an apology by not writing an apology. "Oh yes, nobody else can match our performance.. but in the meantime we've worked with Nvidia in order to take away this FREE performance boost in the new production models."

Reason for doing it ? Apparently none.

I'll make mine the words of Tom's Hardware reader zero messiah:
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*we’ve worked with NVIDIA to ensure that new production models will limit this FREE overclock boost you currently get*
On behalf of consumers everwhere, i would like to thank you MSI for trying to make us feel guilty.
And in the future, i will try not to feel entitled to having a working graphics card.

`Sincerely,
Joe Q Public.

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The company getting caught cheating by running components out of spec in order to maximizing the GPU boost feature is worrying, but I could still forgive them if they had apologized and said that something during QC failed and that they thought the cards would work, but then I read their answer:
This is the pinnacle of arrogance. I won't be buying a GPU from MSI any time soon.
They managed to write an apology by not writing an apology. "Oh yes, nobody else can match our performance.. but in the meantime we've worked with Nvidia in order to take away this FREE performance boost in the new production models."
Reason for doing it ? Apparently none.
I'll make mine the words of Tom's Hardware reader zero messiah:

MSI isn't really the one you should blame here. NV should be getting the flak here since they are the ones that are pretty much hating all overclocking at this point with the way they limit voltage control and don't even allow custom PCB cards from AIBs to have better overclocking features.

While MSI might be running the components way out of spec, the reality of the situation is that if they are going to follow NV's crappy regulations as they're supposed to the gains some MSI cards have previously had will not be possible.
 
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If all the other competitors didn't have this "crappy regulation" to follow, by this behavoir MSI probably would've done something else to inflate their performance gains.
    
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