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The Range Rover and Ferrari F430 both have 4.2 litre V8s. The Range Rover is cheaper therefore by your logic the Range Rover is better. Because of course it has nothing to do with the purpose of the two. The only thing that matters is the hardware/engines and price. And I never said Only look at ultrabooks. I said if you're going to compare a non-Apple laptop to a MacBook Air then compare it to another ultrabook. But if you don't want to compare ultrabooks then compare a MacBook Pro to that Asus.
And on the GPU analogy, why did you get a GTX 670 when you could have got an AMD 7850? Both have 2GB RAM, except the 7850 is clocked higher (975MHz instead of the GTX670s 915MHz) and it's half the price? That just doesn't make sense according to your logic.

Well, my GTX670 is 1015Mhz stock, the 7950 was only £30 cheaper at the time (pre GTX660 release) and I wanted to use Physx *boom, your argument out of the water* Your analogies are full of holes.

And sure, if the Range Rover also had the same pretty much everything similar to the ferrari, then sure it'd be the better choice since it's cheaper. A ferrari isn't automatically a better car.... And considering the price difference of the Asus to the Mac (range to the ferrari) then I suppose that is one HELLA expensive range rover. You need to pick better analogies. The Ferrari to Range Rover isn't working for you since they're not even in the same price band, let alone "market" whereas at least the two laptops I'm talking about are in the same price band AND have the same/similar specs.

Do you not watch much Top Gear? How often do they have a better car that is half the price? Price != Worth
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How did we go from holding phones wrong to money, cars and graphic cards?
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Well, my GTX670 is 1015Mhz stock, the 7950 was only £30 cheaper at the time (pre GTX660 release) and I wanted to use Physx *boom, your argument out of the water* Your analogies are full of holes.
And sure, if the Range Rover also had the same pretty much everything similar to the ferrari, then sure it'd be the better choice since it's cheaper. A ferrari isn't automatically a better car.... And considering the price difference of the Asus to the Mac (range to the ferrari) then I suppose that is one HELLA expensive range rover. You need to pick better analogies. The Ferrari to Range Rover isn't working for you since they're not even in the same price band, let alone "market" whereas at least the two laptops I'm talking about are in the same price band AND have the same/similar specs.
Do you not watch much Top Gear? How often do they have a better car that is half the price? Price != Worth

I used a 7850, not a 7950. Which "at the time" was still half the price. And maybe the people wanting OSX want to use some of it's features (such as being a lot easier to use than Windows is)
And the Range Rover is almost £90,000 for the supercharged one. The Ferrari is £100,000 (sort of on sale like the Asus you chose)

Range Rover has 510hp, Ferrari has 483 hp, they both get similar fuel economy (RR 19MPG, Ferrari 18.6MPG) They both have the same similar size fuel tanks (RR 100 liter, Ferrari 95 liter)

See they both have very similar specs. Except one is more than the other.

Do you go out into the real world much? People want something that's reasonable powerful, looks good (opinionated but most people think the MBP is good looking), easy to use, doesn't way 2 tons and has a good battery life.
    
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I used a 7850, not a 7950. Which "at the time" was still half the price. And maybe the people wanting OSX want to use some of it's features (such as being a lot easier to use than Windows is)
And the Range Rover is almost £90,000 for the supercharged one. The Ferrari is £100,000 (sort of on sale like the Asus you chose)
Range Rover has 510hp, Ferrari has 483 hp, they both get similar fuel economy (RR 19MPG, Ferrari 18.6MPG) They both have the same similar size fuel tanks (RR 100 liter, Ferrari 95 liter)
See they both have very similar specs. Except one is more than the other.
Do you go out into the real world much? People want something that's reasonable powerful, looks good (opinionated but most people think the MBP is good looking), easy to use, doesn't way 2 tons and has a good battery life.

No, the Asus on sale is cheaper, I listed the non-sale price @ £650.

I understand that fully, but they also don't want to spend a fortune on something when they can get it cheaper elsewhere. And nice one at the personal jabs, but my skin is a lot thicker than that. I personally wouldn't be seen dead with a Mac and wouldn't recommend one to anyone based on the fact that Windows PC's are cheaper, often better, just as easy to use and have the exact same range of software available.

And I'll be quite honest, but I'm not a car guy at all. When you said range rover, I saw this:



and this:

fer1_1452403i.jpg

The fact of the matter is it was quite reasonable to compare those laptops because they were similarly priced and had similar hardware. The mac was lighter and thinner and had speedier RAM (some may consider the SSD a pro, but given how small it was it's quite pathetic). Whereas the specs on the Asus were slightly stronger and it had the same battery life, for less money. I even posted a Toshiba notebook, with the exact same specs, but a way better GPU for £100 less than the Asus.

Oh and check the Apple website, they have that £849 MBA listed as a notebook. Asus has their's listed the same. So, yeah, perfectly reasonable to compare the two.
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No, the Asus on sale is cheaper, I listed the non-sale price @ £650.
I understand that fully, but they also don't want to spend a fortune on something when they can get it cheaper elsewhere..

Then what's your problem with other people spending their money (not yours) on something they want?

Just because you don't want something doesn't mean the rest of the world wants it either. The world doesn't revolve around you. Some people want looks over performance.
    
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Nice, go ahead and ignore the part of my post that crushes your entire argument for the last two pages:
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Oh and check the Apple website, they have that £849 MBA listed as a notebook. Asus has their's listed the same. So, yeah, perfectly reasonable to compare the two.

And most of the world want to save as much money as possible while having a really good computer. Have you ever worked computer tech support or computer sales? Most people cannot even be beguiled into a Mac. Like I said, anyone looking for a Mac is never going to walk away with a PC/Windows-base computer anyway, but those in the market got a Windows-based computer can spend as much or as little as they need and it's quite easy to find a computer that fits their needs but doesn't break the bank.

And why all indignant? Someone was talking about comparable specs but the mac being better in battery life, size and weight and I brought up the issue of being way cheaper for a comparable laptop.

EDIT:

Anyway, if people want to spend their money foolishly, that's fine, but don't expect me to be complacent when they try to assert it as a good buy.

Oh and this: http://www.ebuyer.com/363775-acer-aspire-s3-ultrabook-nx-m10ek-003

Takes a steaming dump over the MacBook Air, it's just a touch more expensive (but if you add the extras from Mac, not really) but has a better HDD, better CPU, 0.5 hours more battery life, a 720p webcam like the MBA and is around the same size and weight. It lacks the USB 3 ports and has a lower resolution and HD 3000 graphics.
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Nice, go ahead and ignore the part of my post that crushes your entire argument for the last two pages:
And most of the world want to save as much money as possible while having a really good computer. Have you ever worked computer tech support or computer sales? Most people cannot even be beguiled into a Mac. Like I said, anyone looking for a Mac is never going to walk away with a PC/Windows-base computer anyway, but those in the market got a Windows-based computer can spend as much or as little as they need and it's quite easy to find a computer that fits their needs but doesn't break the bank.
And why all indignant? Someone was talking about comparable specs but the mac being better in battery life, size and weight and I brought up the issue of being way cheaper for a comparable laptop.

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't have anything to say about it.

And Apple (unlike most computer companies) give you a loan, so you don't have to pay the whole £850-£3000 straight away. So in the long term for some people, a Mac would be cheaper. Not only that but if they want to sell it, it will hold it's value a lot better.

And any sensible person would would look at both and take both into consideration. But you are right, there is no way you will convince a Mac fanboy to get a Windows computer and there is no way you will convince a Windows fanboy to get a Mac. Most of the people I have spoken to about Macs vs PCs ("real world people", not "hurr durr GHz people") prefer the the loan you can get with a Mac which AFAIK the only other company that does something similar is Dell. And why would any "real world person" want something that looks worse if in the long run costs around the same and logging onto facebook takes them 0.00001 second longer?
    
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I didn't ignore it, I just didn't have anything to say about it.
And Apple (unlike most computer companies) give you a loan, so you don't have to pay the whole £850-£3000 straight away. So in the long term for some people, a Mac would be cheaper. Not only that but if they want to sell it, it will hold it's value a lot better.
And any sensible person would would look at both and take both into consideration. But you are right, there is no way you will convince a Mac fanboy to get a Windows computer and there is no way you will convince a Windows fanboy to get a Mac. Most of the people I have spoken to about Macs vs PCs ("real world people", not "hurr durr GHz people") prefer the the loan you can get with a Mac which AFAIK the only other company that does something similar is Dell. And why would any "real world person" want something that looks worse if in the long run costs around the same and logging onto facebook takes them 0.00001 second longer?

how can a loan make things cheaper? loans carry interest rates.
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how can a loan make things cheaper? loans carry interest rates.

If you have to pay for bills and you don't have £850 cash, how do you pay for a £850 computer (Mac or PC)? With a loan you will pay £15-£35/month rather than the whole £850 all at once.
    
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I didn't ignore it, I just didn't have anything to say about it.
And Apple (unlike most computer companies) give you a loan, so you don't have to pay the whole £850-£3000 straight away. So in the long term for some people, a Mac would be cheaper. Not only that but if they want to sell it, it will hold it's value a lot better.
And any sensible person would would look at both and take both into consideration. But you are right, there is no way you will convince a Mac fanboy to get a Windows computer and there is no way you will convince a Windows fanboy to get a Mac. Most of the people I have spoken to about Macs vs PCs ("real world people", not "hurr durr GHz people") prefer the the loan you can get with a Mac which AFAIK the only other company that does something similar is Dell. And why would any "real world person" want something that looks worse if in the long run costs around the same and logging onto facebook takes them 0.00001 second longer?

Didn't you earlier ask me if I'd been into the "real world"

You mean, Finance options, which many outlets offer? Off the top of my head, online, Scan. Retail? Wow, who DOESN'T offer you finance. PC world, Dixons, Curry's Comet?

Yeah, most people I've talked quite rightly don't want anything to do with finance. Apple finance are no different to any others. Late payment and early repayment fees, 19-29% APR and is offered by Barclays bank, not Apple. Financing is a rip off. Apple products hold their value because of the asinine value people attach to them not because they're good for the money. Either way, I don't know what planet you live on to be able to make an early full repayment on a loan and not get stung for early repayment charges. Had very many loans? Here's a tip: stay away from them unless they have "Student" in front of it.

And again, have you ever spoken to people or worked in computer sales? "hurr durr Gigahurtzezez" is exactly how you sell stuff to these people.

And here's the hilarious part of your post:
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And why would any "real world person" want something that looks worse if in the long run costs around the same and logging onto facebook takes them 0.00001 second longer?

Right, so why spend £850 on a Mac when a £350 laptop will open Facbeook, play Flash games and open eBay just as quick? Also, "looks worse" is incredibly subjective to this debate. Many people would go "oh yeah" to pretty much anything you shove under their noses. People that know what they are talking about and know what they want do not walk into a computer show room and talk to a sales person.

Then again, no offense, but there's way more money in Cambridge than there is in Bradford, so our idea of "Real world people" probably varies wildly. I worked in Newmarket for about 3 months. omgwow that was a different class of people to Bradford and West Yorkshire.
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