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post #2171 of 2434
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Originally Posted by TATH View Post

I think i got the same bleu strips "got the wrong strips\ no leds shining tru" . Now i need to buy new strips clear ones. biggrin.gif

System looking great Gerald. I see you couth not wait until tommorow with the pictures. hi hi thumb.gifthumb.gif

Yeah, nothing good on tv so I went ahead. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by fast_fate View Post

almost !!!
just kidding thumb.gif great little addition.
BUT - can you not get the res to pump 1 acrylic line so it is verticle - move pump closer ??
and I'ld aim for the joiner between pumps to be horizontal.
If you going to try - should be able to soften the bend on acrylic to flow meter.
How is the provided campsite at EK webstore.
I imagine quite a que for the RIVBE block tonguesmiley.gif
What campsite?
What RIVBE block? lol I don't know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by socketus View Post

It looks great biggrin.gif sort of like a generating plant in a building, with some motors on the floor and hanging fan and ups with mesh in the roof, the vertical hanging gpus with their copper plates.
Seems to be a literal build of such a plant, with tubing and whatnot, with the Ultra Durable text in regular to read position, the cpu block lit up as a big X. Looks very industrial, I think we forget about the purpose of the pc tower and its function - we're so hooked on the appearance and "flow" of the overall look.

The curve of the line between the pumps adds to the look - don't straighten it. Don't straighten the line from res to pump. That platform for the pumps looks like a lucite stand with that bevelled edge, like its on display in a show.

To someone who knows nothing of a pc build's internally encased components, I gotta say its got all of the elements of different shapes and arrangements, to fully satisfy any viewer's level of enthusiasm for the gazing at an online pc build pic.

lol ... I am full of it. Can't quite say it, but I think the build looks gorgeous. I could use a supersized foto of it, blown to big epic proportion thumb.gif

but feel free to change it in any way shape or form, Mandrix, I'm enjoying this ride ;-)

ps. gotta say I like the way he posts the pics with little text and lets you decide.
I likes it too. smile.gif
post #2172 of 2434
The latest pics are awesome. Really nice changes on the bottom!
post #2173 of 2434
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Got a really strange problem I've been trying to figure out....I even asked Shoggy (Sven at Aquacomputer) if he had any ideas.
OK the MCP35x2 pump is connected to one of the Aquaero's with an extension cable carrying the rpm & pwm wires. What has been happening is the pump has been losing pwm control and defaults to running wide open. When this happens, the gauge that I have set up showing pump % power goes to zero and the flow meters show increased flow due to the pump speeding up.

Strangely enough, I can shut down, disconnect/reconnect the cable (I usually disconnect the extension from the pump cable since it's easy to reach), start back up and the pump is showing a signal again. rolleyes.gif

Thinking that maybe the long extension cable is somehow attenuating the signal, I rerouted the cable from the pump, then made an extension cable about 1/2 as long as the original......but this did not help. Occasionally the pump will just lose the pwm signal, or may even not have it on startup.
Not really sure what I can do here.....I've made no changes to the pump wiring in quite a while. This is getting aggravating. buttkick.gif

On another note, I've been doing lots of benchmarking lately. Right now I'm finishing up my 4.9 overclock. It's looking like I'm stable at 1.380 Vcore / 1.05 Vring / & the RAM running at 2400. This 4770K rocks!
I'll post some screenies later.
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Last night our fave college football team Florida State University won the national championship. I was worried for a while as Auburn was beating our socks off but the boys managed to pull it out in the closing minutes of the game and win.
post #2174 of 2434
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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

Got a really strange problem I've been trying to figure out....I even asked Shoggy (Sven at Aquacomputer) if he had any ideas.
OK the MCP35x2 pump is connected to one of the Aquaero's with an extension cable carrying the rpm & pwm wires. What has been happening is the pump has been losing pwm control and defaults to running wide open. When this happens, the gauge that I have set up showing pump % power goes to zero and the flow meters show increased flow due to the pump speeding up.

Strangely enough, I can shut down, disconnect/reconnect the cable (I usually disconnect the extension from the pump cable since it's easy to reach), start back up and the pump is showing a signal again. rolleyes.gif

Thinking that maybe the long extension cable is somehow attenuating the signal, I rerouted the cable from the pump, then made an extension cable about 1/2 as long as the original......but this did not help. Occasionally the pump will just lose the pwm signal, or may even not have it on startup.
Not really sure what I can do here.....I've made no changes to the pump wiring in quite a while. This is getting aggravating. buttkick.gif

On another note, I've been doing lots of benchmarking lately. Right now I'm finishing up my 4.9 overclock. It's looking like I'm stable at 1.380 Vcore / 1.05 Vring / & the RAM running at 2400. This 4770K rocks!
I'll post some screenies later.
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Last night our fave college football team Florida State University won the national championship. I was worried for a while as Auburn was beating our socks off but the boys managed to pull it out in the closing minutes of the game and win.




Hi Gerald, The extension have you made it with connectors or did you solder it. If you used connectors then the pins may couse the problem. Another thing is the wiring "there can be a "damaged piece in it".
Another thing is the power of the Aquero can have a loos pin "just a thouth"all pins same length!.

So you got many things to check.
post #2175 of 2434
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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

Got a really strange problem I've been trying to figure out....I even asked Shoggy (Sven at Aquacomputer) if he had any ideas.
OK the MCP35x2 pump is connected to one of the Aquaero's with an extension cable carrying the rpm & pwm wires. What has been happening is the pump has been losing pwm control and defaults to running wide open. When this happens, the gauge that I have set up showing pump % power goes to zero and the flow meters show increased flow due to the pump speeding up.

Strangely enough, I can shut down, disconnect/reconnect the cable (I usually disconnect the extension from the pump cable since it's easy to reach), start back up and the pump is showing a signal again. rolleyes.gif

Thinking that maybe the long extension cable is somehow attenuating the signal, I rerouted the cable from the pump, then made an extension cable about 1/2 as long as the original......but this did not help. Occasionally the pump will just lose the pwm signal, or may even not have it on startup.
Not really sure what I can do here.....I've made no changes to the pump wiring in quite a while. This is getting aggravating. buttkick.gif

On another note, I've been doing lots of benchmarking lately. Right now I'm finishing up my 4.9 overclock. It's looking like I'm stable at 1.380 Vcore / 1.05 Vring / & the RAM running at 2400. This 4770K rocks!
I'll post some screenies later.

Mandrix in practical experience out side of PC's losing the signal like this is either a bad out put on the pump, bad connection or the cable picking up some noise. since you changed the cable I would wrap a wire or tin foil around the signal cable to provide a shield, if this does not work the problem is most likely in the pump. the only thing it could be is something we do not want to consider and this is Gremlins!!! and German gremlins are the worst to eradicate!!! no actually the ony other thing it could be is something on the AQ itself!!
post #2176 of 2434
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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

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Last night our fave college football team Florida State University won the national championship. I was worried for a while as Auburn was beating our socks off but the boys managed to pull it out in the closing minutes of the game and win.

Was an awesome game!
post #2177 of 2434
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Originally Posted by TATH View Post

Hi Gerald, The extension have you made it with connectors or did you solder it. If you used connectors then the pins may couse the problem. Another thing is the wiring "there can be a "damaged piece in it".
Another thing is the power of the Aquero can have a loos pin "just a thouth"all pins same length!.

So you got many things to check.
I made a new, shorter extension cable and still the same problem.
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Originally Posted by seross69 View Post

Mandrix in practical experience out side of PC's losing the signal like this is either a bad out put on the pump, bad connection or the cable picking up some noise. since you changed the cable I would wrap a wire or tin foil around the signal cable to provide a shield, if this does not work the problem is most likely in the pump. the only thing it could be is something we do not want to consider and this is Gremlins!!! and German gremlins are the worst to eradicate!!! no actually the ony other thing it could be is something on the AQ itself!!
Shoggy didn't seem to think the problem could be in the AQ, I dunno though.
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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

Was an awesome game!
Yes it was! The boys could not keep pace with Auburn in the first half, no doubt. I give a lot of credit to Auburn. But, we just were not executing and I got so upset I threw something across the room in the second quarter. rolleyes.gif
Really it got down to the last few minutes.
Next year the playoff structure will be different and I'm glad the change is coming.
post #2178 of 2434
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Well the pwm problem with the MCP35x2 pumps persist. Seems the signal will just randomly drop out......other times it will be fine all day long. I do not know about these particular pumps, but I have heard that the pwm implementation on the D5's is not done properly. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
post #2179 of 2434
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Originally Posted by mandrix View Post

Well the pwm problem with the MCP35x2 pumps persist. Seems the signal will just randomly drop out......other times it will be fine all day long. I do not know about these particular pumps, but I have heard that the pwm implementation on the D5's is not done properly. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Shame can't isolate the problem, then work on solution redface.gif
Just one of the pumps is PMW ??
Assuming it is hooked up the an Aquaero - software issue with Aquasuite ??
Does it behave normally at fixed speed ??

Possible to run checks with other software such as in Martin's review
Crystalfontz CFA-633 & Wintest B1.9 to monitor RPM - I'm not familiar with these ones.
Speedfan 4.48 Beta 4 to adjust PWM signal manually - 4.49 Final available

Might have to end up running them at constant with either a flow rate OR noise factor rate you are happy with - hopefully the 2 coincide rolleyes.gif
post #2180 of 2434
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Originally Posted by fast_fate View Post

Shame can't isolate the problem, then work on solution redface.gif
Just one of the pumps is PMW ??
Assuming it is hooked up the an Aquaero - software issue with Aquasuite ??
Does it behave normally at fixed speed ??

Possible to run checks with other software such as in Martin's review
Crystalfontz CFA-633 & Wintest B1.9 to monitor RPM - I'm not familiar with these ones.
Speedfan 4.48 Beta 4 to adjust PWM signal manually - 4.49 Final available

Might have to end up running them at constant with either a flow rate OR noise factor rate you are happy with - hopefully the 2 coincide rolleyes.gif
The MCP35x2 pumps are pwm.
Doubtful it's software...most likely hardware related. Now that I think about it, one of the Aquaero's I had repaired several months ago because a pump went out and took out a transistor on the Fan 4 circuit. Aquacomputer was kind enough to repair for free, but I'm wondering if there might have been further damage that wasn't apparent at the time.

Anyway the problem isn't constant, thankfully. Seems to happen either on boot, or when I'm benching and the pumps are ramping up and down.
Yesterday I swapped the MCP35x2 pumps from AQ1 to AQ2, and the D5 pumps from AQ2 to AQ1 and all is good so far......we'll see how it goes. Shipping to Germany is just too much, so if the pwm goes out entirely I'll change the setup. I still have 2xPA2 Ultra's if I need them to power the pumps with voltage control.
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