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It is a government's job to go with the best bid possible, and secure the greatest benefit to their citizens.

I agree, that is what the government should do with public land and right of ways. They should put the bid out there and allow EVERYONE to bid on it under the same rules ... not pick a winner ahead of time. That is why government bids are done a certain way ... so that someone in a position of authority, who's cousin owns 50,000 shares of company x's stock doesn't write the bid so that company x will have an advantage, just to they can make a personal fortune at the expense of the public.

Hence the term "level playing field". I hope it works out, I really do. Competition is good, but I have a sneaking suspicion that when things are dug into a bit deeper and when Google has to actually PRODUCE, things aren't going to be as nice, easy, and cheap as everyone expects.
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One hitler shall henceforth be a unit of measurement equal to 6.0*106 human deaths.
Standard SI prefixes apply. Thus Harold Shipman's achievements amount to 36 microhitlers.
The true utility of the hitler as an SI unit is it allows useful unit conversions.
For example: the EPA currently values a human life as being worth 6.9 million us dollars (6.9 megadollars). A simple unit conversion thus gives us 1 hitler is equivalent to -41,400,000,000,000 dollars. (-41 teradollars).
It can therefore be quantitatively established whether or not someone is "worse than hitler". When congress failed to pass a stimulus bill in 2008 the market lost 1.2 trillion dollars in 1 day, roughly equivalent to 29 millihitlers. Joseph Stalin is the only human I know of who can be called worse than hitler, as his achievements clocked roughly 5 hitlers.
When your bank nails you with a 35 dollar fine, you can confidently tell the teller that they are currently ******* you over to the tune of 84 picohitlers and ask if they have a very tiny auschwitz behind the counter.
On a different note, I hope KS stays strong on this. Companies need to know that they need to push an industry forward to do well, not just ride on the coat-tails of innovators.

So say we all

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That's true, because all that Google has right now, anywhere in the world, is PROMISES. There isn't anyone CURRENTLY running Google for TV or Internet. They haven't laid a single foot of fiber, or had to repair a single thing after a major storm.
I hope I'm wrong, and Google CAN actually shake things up, but I have a sneaking suspicion that once Google actually has to produce something that they have to service in the real world 24/7 in mother natures less than ideal world, they are going to be in for a VERY rude awakening. Something that AT&T and the other companies out there have decades of real world experience in handling.

Which makes what Google has done even more awesome.

Even before they've put down a single cable, the bane of American telecommunications is forced off of its recliner and all of a sudden realizes that attempting to push the industry forward instead of stagnating/mooching off of it can benefit them.

Is that really a bad thing?
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I agree, that is what the government should do with public land and right of ways. They should put the bid out there and allow EVERYONE to bid on it under the same rules ... not pick a winner ahead of time. That is why government bids are done a certain way ... so that someone in a position of authority, who's cousin owns 50,000 shares of company x's stock doesn't write the bid so that company x will have an advantage, just to they can make a personal fortune at the expense of the public.
Hence the term "level playing field". I hope it works out, I really do. Competition is good, but I have a sneaking suspicion that when things are dug into a bit deeper and when Google has to actually PRODUCE, things aren't going to be as nice, easy, and cheap as everyone expects.

There is a difference in this situation. They are not building fences or parks which simply cannot be contracted out multiple times. Telecom companies can exist in tandem with each other; they just choose not to (for the most part.) However, it is typically unlikely to have a choice between two competing services (Cable vs Cable, Fiber vs Fiber etc) in an area. There is someone on this forum, in particular, that is enormously knowledgeable about the in's and out's of cable companies. They would be a better source of knowledge.

The bottom line is that this is the first time someone is running a Telecom company out of town. The sweetheart deal is a red herring. After years of aged service and increasing prices, the citizens empowered their government to lure a better alternative to their area. Practices like this happen all the time to stimulate business migration to an area. I agree that time will tell if Google can deliver on its promises, but I have more faith in Google's business model that than the antiquated American Telephone & Telegraph Company.
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I agree that time will tell if Google can deliver on its promises, but I have more faith in Google's business model that than the antiquated American Telephone & Telegraph Company.

I wonder how many people actually know thats what AT&T Stands for?
If i were KC government this is what i would say:
"You promise to provide better service at better rates then Google and you've got a deal. Otherwise, just go."
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Give the US 1Gbps for $70 a month and then you can talk, IMO.
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I wonder how many people actually know thats what AT&T Stands for?

Since 1985, it has stood for nothing. Before that, it did have meaning.

Just like 3M used to stand for Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company, but now it doesn't. But then again, I'm sure some people would say that 3M, since they USED to have "Mining" in their name, obviously don't know anything about medical products, chemicals, etc.
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I do not understand this whole thread? Was Google given more tax breaks or something for bringing 1GbPS to KC?
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They're literally Hitler. Time Warner as well.

One hitler shall henceforth be a unit of measurement equal to 6.0*106 human deaths.

Standard SI prefixes apply. Thus Harold Shipman's achievements amount to 36 microhitlers.

The true utility of the hitler as an SI unit is it allows useful unit conversions.

For example: the EPA currently values a human life as being worth 6.9 million us dollars (6.9 megadollars). A simple unit conversion thus gives us 1 hitler is equivalent to -41,400,000,000,000 dollars. (-41 teradollars).

It can therefore be quantitatively established whether or not someone is "worse than hitler". When congress failed to pass a stimulus bill in 2008 the market lost 1.2 trillion dollars in 1 day, roughly equivalent to 29 millihitlers. Joseph Stalin is the only human I know of who can be called worse than hitler, as his achievements clocked roughly 5 hitlers.

When your bank nails you with a 35 dollar fine, you can confidently tell the teller that they are currently ******* you over to the tune of 84 picohitlers and ask if they have a very tiny auschwitz behind the counter.




On a different note, I hope KS stays strong on this. Companies need to know that they need to push an industry forward to do well, not just ride on the coat-tails of innovators.

This should be stickied. In all subforums.
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I do not understand this whole thread? Was Google given more tax breaks or something for bringing 1GbPS to KC?

According to the Wall Street Journal ...
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Among the sweeteners granted Google by both cities are free office space and free power for Google's equipment, according to the agreement on file with the cities. The company also gets the use of all the cities' "assets and infrastructure"—including fiber, buildings, land and computer tools, for no charge. Both cities are even providing Google a team of government employees "dedicated to the project."

The cities are discounting other services, as well. For the right to attach its cables to city utility poles, Google is paying Kansas City, Kan., only $10 per pole per year—compared with the $18.95 Time Warner Cable pays. Both cities have also waived permit and inspection fees for Google.

The cities are even helping Google market its fiber build-out. And both are implementing city-managed marketing and education programs about the gigabit network that will, among other things, include direct mailings and community meetings.
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