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Knucklhead -

Do you even realize the infrastructure that AT&T owns? The copper, fiber, and radio spectrum? Do you realize just how much of it is theirs?
    
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Originally Posted by Dronac View Post

Free? If would vote for my city to PAY for google to put up lines on my cities poles if I had to.

One time fee to route to the residence, after it's routed it's free.

I concur.
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I'm quite sure this whole this is far less complicated than its being made out to be by certain people (person ¬_¬).

Google proposal:
Dear Kansas State, we'd like to bring a service that provides speeds 100x faster than the national average, with rates that will force lazy ISPs to offer better speeds around the USA. Therefore raising the national average speed.

We'll also provide free Gigabit internet to schools, hospitals, libraries and other government/public buildings.

Kansas will automatically become a place of interest in both the media and residential desirability.

Reply:
....SURE!!!



AT&T:
*Sitting in a recliner, perfectly happy with the state of things. Not making any effort to do basically anything except make profit*
*tumbleweed*

Reply:
*Not applicable due to AT&T not actually bothering to get off their backsides and do anything of the sort in the first place*



Is it really so hard to understand why things panned out the way they did, and is it so easy to ignorantly put it down to simple governmental bias?


It took Virgin Media to start totally spanking BT in internet speeds through their introduction of fiber in the UK before BT finally made a fiber to the cabinet rollout and now I'm on a 76Mbps connection as opposed to the 6Mbps I was on just a year ago.

If this is what "gubbernments" has to do to push for similar technological progress in America, I can only see it as a good thing.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/2/12 at 3:29pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nocturin View Post

One time fee to route to the residence, after it's routed it's free.
I concur.

*Books a plane ticket and begins to look for apartments in KC* tongue.gif
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Free? If would vote for my city to PAY for google to put up lines on my cities poles if I had to.

ikr... here in canada youd have to pay a 50dollar installation fee for a 10mbps/1mbps up line @ 45bucks a month with 60gb cap..plus the modem rental fees...taxes...-.-

anyway...im betting the people that actually side with ATT and TWC here works for ATT and TWC and is afraid of losing their jobs(probably has one of those management jobs) just let it go and let google make everyone's life better dude...did i mention google has one of the best work benefits ever?
 
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

I'm quite sure this whole this is far less complicated than its being made out to be by certain people (person ¬_¬).
Google proposal:
Dear Kansas State, we'd like to bring a service that provides speeds 100x faster than the national average, with rates that will force lazy ISPs to offer better speeds around the USA. Therefore raising the national average speed.
We'll also provide free Gigabit internet to schools, hospitals, libraries and other government/public buildings.
Kansas will automatically become a place of interest in both the media and residential desirability.
Reply:
....SURE!!!
AT&T:
*Sitting in a recliner, perfectly happy with the state of things. Not making any effort to do basically anything except make profit*
*tumbleweed*
Reply:
*Not applicable due to AT&T not actually bothering to get off their backsides and do anything of the sort in the first place*
Is it really so hard to understand why things panned out the way they did, and is it so easy to ignorantly put it down to simple governmental bias?
It took Virgin Media to start totally spanking BT in internet speeds through their introduction of fiber in the UK before BT finally made a fiber to the cabinet rollout and now I'm on a 76Mbps connection as opposed to the 6Mbps I was on just a year ago.
If this is what "gubbernments" has to do to push for similar technological progress in America, I can only see it as a good thing.

Same thing happened here with what little competition we had (FIOS non fibre) here. Fios service sucked, but it got charter to offer more for the same price (if you have a land line! doh.gif)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Junkboy View Post

*Books a plane ticket and begins to look for apartments in KC* tongue.gif

lachen.gif

KC will start to have more high-tech jobs after this rollout is completed.
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Knucklhead -
Do you even realize the infrastructure that AT&T owns? The copper, fiber, and radio spectrum? Do you realize just how much of it is theirs?

Yes, I realize it.

Do you realize that Google made $38 billion last year?

That buys a LOT of telephone poles. Maybe Google should spend some of THEIR money instead of leeching off other peoples money and claiming "success".
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Yes, I realize it.
Do you realize that Google made $38 billion last year?
That buys a LOT of telephone poles. Maybe Google should spend some of THEIR money instead of leeching off other peoples money and claiming "success".

ditto for AT&T whiners.

Source
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reported a 39 percent increase in its first-quarter profit on Wednesday
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Revenue climbed more than 2 percent, to $31.2 billion from $30.5 billion.
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T&T added two million wireless subscribers in the quarter, a slight increase from the 1.9 million that it added in the first quarter a year earlier. AT&T’s overall pool of subscribers, which includes cable and land line customers, rose to 97.5 million, a 12 percent increase from a year earlier.

I don't understand your bitterness.

red herring.

hey look at that over there!
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ditto for AT&T whiners.
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I don't understand your bitterness.
red herring.
hey look at that over there!

Who's bitter? And yes, I know AT&T had tons of money. But the interesting thing is, I'm the one on this thread is saying that BOTH companies should pony up their own money to provide a service and not rely on the charity of a city who cut a one sided deal without first consulting the real owners of the items ... tax payers. But hey, I'd be happy if the city just cut the SAME DEAL to everyone. That is what TRUE competition is.

Which is all that I've been saying all along. Google has been handed an unfair advantage by people who don't didn't pay for the resources (ie the city of KC, where they are just the managers) and people here act as if Google is doing something awesome. If I had $38 billion in the bank and didn't have to pay rent, utilities, had technicians handed to me and paid for by someone else, and a marketing department handed to me, oh, and let's not forget, free access to the cities fiber network that is ALREADY in place, and only had to pay HALF as much to access poles ... I bet I could "succeed" too.

Without that sweetheart of a deal, I seriously doubt Google would have went for it. Not to mention, people are looking at this as some future expansion in other cities. Well, unless those other cities cut the same sweet deal, I doubt it will "succeed" there either.
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Anyway, I'm about done on this topic. I'm not going to change anybodies view on this and they certainly aren't going to change mine.

Google got a sweetheart deal, and IMO, all other providers have every right to be "ticked" that the city basically hand picked one company to be the "winner" here and true competition was not allowed.

Peace!
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