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Once you step up to better sources (Cowon, HiFiMan, some iPods, Clip+, newer smart phones with better DACs & amps),

oxymoron particularly with Hifiman
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There's a lot of cheap crap out there.

Yep, and a lot of cheap crap masquerading as high-end like the Hifiman 601.
    
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I'm in no position to disagree. The fact remains that their owners are pleased with them and happily run high-dollar systems from them; I doubt anyone can argue they're in the same league as the majority of cheap MP3 players out there. I'm more of a Clip+ person myself, but I just picked up a 6th Gen Nano for too good an offer to pass up and it's worlds easier to navigate than the Sansa.
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You know what's fun? Having your 58 year-old father be able to hear a difference between a CD and a 96khz/24bit FLAC...

...on his 35-year old analog amplifier and speakers. Who needs to worry about samplerate and bitdepth capabilities when it's all analog? tongue.gif
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Who needs to worry about samplerate and bitdepth capabilities when it's all analog? tongue.gif

Although true, watch -or listen to- a proper turntable nut talk about his setup and how it's derived. It's like getting an entire engineering degree worth of lectures in the one sitting... Damn I miss my Gyrodec frown.gif.

I find the problem with most modern smartphones is current capability to the headphone jack rather than voltage. I often lie in bed at night with my HD650's and my iPhone 5/Galaxy S3 and you can just hear the phones struggling to get the drivers moving at all.
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Turntable nuts... yeah, they're what I classify as the "nostalgic audiophile". I mean, technically even analog has a limit to it's audio detail. Theoretically if we could have such huge sampling rates and bit depths that you're essentially recording the actual molecule movements at the atom level, then I think you've pretty much superseded analog.
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"We listened to the phones at full volume and tried to detect differences in loudness, hiss, distortion (such as clipping), dynamic range (the ability to make loud and soft stand out from each other) and overall "quality.""
Stopped reading there.
No output level matching? No thanks.
An iPhone should suffice for the vast majority of (even discriminating) users, and an external headphone amplifier will not help in all but the rarest cases.

This


I have an HTC one S, I do know the beats audio is purely a gimmick, either way, it sounds good enough
    
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It's official, not buying a FiiO as originally planned. Yay.
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Watch what happens now: My HD25-1 II's distorted while plugged direct into my Clip+. They didn't distort when I had an e11 between them.
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On many sources, and through many headphones and IEMs, I agree. Once you step up to better sources (Cowon, HiFiMan


, some iPods, Clip+, newer smart phones with better DACs & amps), use better audio formats (.aac, .m4a, wav, FLAC, etc.), and use quality headphones/IEMs driven properly, the differences become apparent. What I've noticed is not problems with the sources, but with the headphones and IEMs used. There's a lot of cheap crap out there.

I'm with chinesekiwi on this one. EQ is fine and dandy but a "better source" it does not make.


And really? That's news to me. Maybe if you're coming from a 1st-generation MP3 player driving low-impedance headphones using 64kbps MP3s...
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NO audiophile would plug DT990s into an iphone, or any phone for that matter. You are high if you think the phone matters.
Audiophiles will plug their phone into a external DAC/AMP via line out completely bypassing the phones audio chip. The DT990s would be plugged into the DAC/AMP.

I can understand from a driving standpoint (it might be possible, depending on the model of 990, that the output of the phone is insufficient for them), otherwise rolleyes.gif
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mp3 audio format for most listeners, and worried about sound quality ? this has to be a bad joke right ?

It's difficult to tell the difference between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC (if properly encoded).

MP3 is ancient, ogg vorbis and AAC are much better for compressed audio.

As for the difference between FLAC and high bitrate MP3, I can quite clearly hear the difference on my ASUS Vulcan ROG headset with songs that tend to have a lot going on at once (Devin Townsend's Deconstruction Album has a few great songs to highlight it, other bands to try are Rush, Dream Theater, Primus and Tool, there's heaps more but that's a few examples I can hear the difference on)

Mind you, FLAC on a phone is (IMO) a dumb idea, you're better off with ogg vorbis/AAC at a decent bit-rate on mobile IMO, but then I tend to have a lot of music on my phone, on a desktop if I need more storage it's less than AU$200 to get another 3000GBs...Most phones are lucky to be over 16GB internal storage, even if you can get a 64GB SDCard. If I had the money, I'd get a 64GB Padfone and the 128GB SDCard and probably have FLAC there (All of the studio albums I have total 75GB, but I also have over 50GB of live tracks, a hell of a lot of compressed demos and the audio from a lot of comedy shows and comedy rock like Gnarkill)
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For anyone who cares: download foobar2000. Then download the ABX Comparator for it. Find a song you know intimately and acquire a lossless version of it. Then compress it to a 320kbps, a 256 kbps, and a 120-something kbps version. Use the above program to see if you can tell the difference. If you can't, it's most likely because you either do not have sensitive enough hearing for the higher bit-rate encodings to matter to you, or you don't have the hardware to show you the differences.

I agree with this, it's shocking how some different some tracks sound, however a lot sound exactly the same.

I wish they'd tested more phones, the Fiio E5 I got ages ago does make a noticable difference on my SGSII even though my earbuds aren't high impedance, but then I have heard that the SGSII is a bit shocking in terms of audio quality.
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