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Not true.redface.gif
Hint: DACs don't really matter anymore. It's all about implementation.

Yes, it's true, lol. The DAC means everything on smartphones.

http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM1811/

My GS3 sounds better than any Beats software and better than iPhones (the 3GS was the closest I've found in quality).
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Not true.redface.gif
Hint: DACs don't really matter anymore. It's all about implementation.

I agree, the shielding issues on my Galaxy S II (Yamaha DAC) were not implemented good and therefore I can hear lots of background noise....
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Yes, it's true, lol. The DAC means everything on smartphones.
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM1811/
My GS3 sounds better than any Beats software and better than iPhones (the 3GS was the closest I've found in quality).

? Don't the iphones also use the Wolfsons DAC?
Same with the Galaxy S 1...

I couldn't confirm this with any Galaxy S III...
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The US version uses a crappy Qualcomm chip, the S1 and S3 use the Wolfson WM1811. Which is a good chip.
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post #64 of 133
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Originally Posted by Rubers View Post

Yes, it's true, lol. The DAC means everything on smartphones.
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM1811/
My GS3 sounds better than any Beats software and better than iPhones (the 3GS was the closest I've found in quality).

Nope. That's just drinking audiophile kool-aid.

Your comparisons are invalid for multiple reasons.
1. They are not a blind test (i.e. you know which is which)
2. You probably didn't level-match them within 0.1dB
being the least of them.

Nevermind the fact that the WM1811 is already way overkill. You should focus on issues that actually make an observable, measurable, confirmable, audible difference (e.g. output impedance).
Edited by friend'scatdied - 10/3/12 at 1:45pm
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If you spend time listening on even prosumer gear, the bit decimation effect just pops right out at you.Its almost always all over the low end "lifeless bass" and the high end" swishy sounding symbols"
what they should do, is give people more storage and get rid of the mp3 format, lossless only.

Really? I've listened to plenty of FLAC and 320kbps MP3 music on my friend's setup which is consisted of a AKG Q701, O2 amp, and NFB 12.1 which is a pretty good setup. Not everybody is going to own HD800's or Audeze LCD-2's or LCD-3's or Stax SR009's (and any other headphone that belong in the section of the top part of high fidelity).
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This holds true to my personal experiences. The only time I can hear a noticeable difference is when I manipulate the track. IE: Adding FX, changing Pitch, Etc.

IIRC a lot of people have ran tests and couldn't hear a difference. Some people heard a small difference but I think it just sounded a bit brighter or something on 320kbps MP3.
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Regarding the whole FLAC vs MP3 thing, let's put it this way:
It takes less time to copy a FLAC file from your computer than it does to re-encode to MP3 and then copy that. Then again, I'm not someone that carries 1000+ songs with me (that's what my PC is for!).
And cgg123321, i-it's not like I l-like your sig-rig's name or anything...

This.

320kbps MP3 is great for mobile use though. WAV files would eat up the space on your PMP and most PMPs support MP3 so it's great for portable use, and the fact that it still sounds very good (very hard to discern between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC, and if they did, it might have been from subjectivity).
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Yes, it's true, lol. The DAC means everything on smartphones.
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM1811/
My GS3 sounds better than any Beats software and better than iPhones (the 3GS was the closest I've found in quality).

It wouldn't matter if they were using a flagship for mobile devices or such. People will have their own preferences. I like the idea of audio being based around objectivity, but subjectivity is also important because a chip may have better measurements but you prefer the sound of another chip. For example, you may prefer the sound of the Wolfson WM8740 over the WM8741 (which is their flagship DAC IIRC as of now) even though (this is just an example. Don't bash me if I get it wrong) the WM8741 has better measurements than its younger sibling (WM8740).
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For example, you may prefer the sound of the Wolfson WM8740 over the WM8741 (which is their flagship DAC IIRC as of now) even though (this is just an example. Don't bash me if I get it wrong) the WM8741 has better measurements than its younger sibling (WM8740).

They sound equivalent.

... Unless one of them is broken.redface.gif
Edited by friend'scatdied - 10/3/12 at 2:13pm
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Superior DAC is superior.
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They sound equivalent.
... Unless one of them is broken.redface.gif

Haha. Yup.
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Superior DAC is superior.

I can't argue against this, but just because it's superior in measurements (objective) doesn't mean it will sound good to a person (subjective). We all have our preferences. For example, the Wolfson WM8740 has superior measurements compared to the Cirrus Logic CS4398 but a lot of people prefer the sound of the CS4398 because it sounds more natural.
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Haha. Yup.
I can't argue against this, but just because it's superior in measurements (objective) doesn't mean it will sound good to a person (subjective). We all have our preferences.

Yep, but the fact remains the chip is one of the best and ought to have given better results in these tests. But instead it was siding with the iPhone (from Engadet, who'da thunk it? wth.gif ) which just isn't that good. There's a reason audiophile websites go ape over the SGS3 quality.
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