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Many big game studios rather limit the sharing and resale of game copies. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Valve, and the rest would rather have people purchase software directly from them. There is a battle between software publishers and retail stores such Gamestop and Game with used games.
What do you think about games that require online accounts to play? Starcraft, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2, and BF3 come to mind. Those games have no resale ability.

That has basically nothing to do with the only point I'm making.

That being traditional software licencing gives the end customer direct ownership/control over their licence whereas Steam type DRM uses your money to grant ownership and control to a middle man that directly controls how you use software you spent money on.

Whether other companies do similar or not is irrelevant. I'm not discussing a company, I'm discussing a business model.
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Many big game studios rather limit the sharing and resale of game copies. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Valve, and the rest would rather have people purchase software directly from them. There is a battle between software publishers and retail stores such Gamestop and Game with used games.
What do you think about games that require online accounts to play? Starcraft, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2, and BF3 come to mind. Those games have no resale ability.

That has basically nothing to do with the only point I'm making.

That being traditional software licencing gives the end customer direct ownership/control over their licence whereas Steam type DRM uses your money to grant ownership and control to a middle man that directly controls how you use software you spent money on.

Whether other companies do similar or not is irrelevant. I'm not discussing a company, I'm discussing a business model.

Software companies rather people purchase software directly from them or a store. They get more money that way instead of letting used copies being resold or lent around. That is why companies with closed garden stores with software tied to accounts such as Apple Store, Windows Store, Android store?, Steam, Origin, UPlay, XBLA, and PSN are becoming popular for them.
Edited by Riou - 10/4/12 at 7:30am
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I assume this court case was in the US as it wouldn't stand up in most countries in the world, as local laws supersede EULA's. There are people on these boards who think otherwise but, tragically for them, these companies do not own the world, no matter how much they want them to.

Yep, it's amazing how people just scream and beg to give their rights away for a scrap of convenience, (or in the case of many laws, a false sense of slightly more security) here in the US nowadays. frown.gif I don't know why people got the idea that because a company tells you "this is our way" that it should be (morally or legally), let alone has to be (sheople should stop supporting products that they don't like the terms of, but they don't... and in many cases these EULA's are legally gray), that way.
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Yep, it's amazing how people just scream and beg to give their rights away for a scrap of convenience, (or in the case of many laws, a false sense of slightly more security) here in the US nowadays. frown.gif I don't know why people got the idea that because a company tells you "this is our way" that it should be (morally or legally), let alone has to be (sheople should stop supporting products that they don't like the terms of, but they don't... and in many cases these EULA's are legally gray), that way.

Actually, as Valve are finding out in Germany, it's not gray. German law supersedes Steam's EULA and either they abide by German law or they take a hike with their ridiculous TOS.

Also in the US corporations now have the rights of regular citizens but not their responsibilities. There is no uproar because people don't understand the meaning of the word rights.
Edited by Liranan - 10/4/12 at 7:45am
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Actually, as Valve are finding out in Germany, it's not gray. German law supersedes Steam's EULA and either they abide by German law or they take a hike with their ridiculous TOS.

Yeah, I was just commenting about the terms here in the US..... your point is 100% correct.
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Software companies rather people purchase software directly from them or a store. They get more money that way instead of letting used copies being resold or lent around. That is why companies with closed garden stores with software tied to accounts such as Apple Store, Windows Store, Android store?, Steam, Origin, UPlay, XBLA, and PSN are becoming popular for them.

Your "but they do it too" argument is coming off as somewhat dismissive and maybe childish imo in context to where this conversation originated.

Someone replied to somebody stating they own their software, that they don't own it, they only own the license.

I replied in the context of Steam software (aka the actual topic of the thread), that the customer does not even own the license, Valve does. They only own access to the licence and have much less freedom than someone who owns their actual licence.

I'm not sure how your reply makes what I'm saying any less true, nor am I sure why you feel you need to explain why its happening as I'm sure I never gave the impression that I didn't understand why or needed an explanation?

Edit: Rereading it wont change my view. Also, having the opinion that your argument against what I am saying is childish != calling you childish.
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Actually, as Valve are finding out in Germany, it's not gray. German law supersedes Steam's EULA and either they abide by German law or they take a hike with their ridiculous TOS.
Also in the US corporations now have the rights of regular citizens but not their responsibilities. There is no uproar because people don't understand the meaning of the word rights.

It seems all those "we'll delete your account and potentially 100s/1000s of £$ worth of software if you take us to court" ToS/EULA agreement updates seems like a pre-emptive move to discourage anyone who attempts to exercise those rights in the EU now that they have ruled that people do own their stuff regardless of what companies want to say.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/4/12 at 8:06am
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Grizzle Boy. Re-read my post. Please do not accuse me of being childish. When people discuss stuff on a message board, that does not necessarily mean two people's views are diametrically opposed.
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It seems all those "we'll delete your account and potentially 100s/1000s of £$ worth of software if you take us to court" ToS/EULA agreement updates seems like a pre-emptive move to discourage anyone who attempts to exercise those rights in the EU now that they have ruled that people do own their stuff regardless of what companies want to say.

But.. but... the EULA says I don't own my software, I'm only leasing it. The EULA also says I owe them my first born, both kidney's, house and my soul for eternity.

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I cannot help but to instinctively mistrust the Middle-man.

I highly doubt that they would ever but up something like CS6, or other pro level SW on steam. Firstly, companies at that level already have an RTU model - such as Adobe. Secondly, while a few consumers might actually pay up, people who depend on this for all or a part of their livelihood would NEVER give up that much control is something went south.

For games though, and random other bits, that's fine.
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It would seem that software will also get "achievements".

Next stop, OS achievements with Windows ?
At least it would make it easier for tech support if the Control Panel only unlocked after you had so many points.
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