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I could care less about the company, it's the distribution model that I support. Digital distribution has revolutionized the accessibility of content - making it cheaper, more widely available, and yes, more convenient to obtain - while returning a significantly larger percentage of the profits to the original artist, which in turn, encourages the production of more content of even better quality.
Your concerns about not being able to resell your unwanted crap at a garage sale or give used stuff to a relative or arbitrarily losing access to your content for running afoul of pretty-easy-to-adhere-to Terms of Service are hilariously pissant in comparison to the benefits the model genuinely delivers.

Except that digital distribution is not equivalent to DRM (ie Steam in this instance) that stops you from re-selling digital purchases due to licence agreements and measures put in place to uphold them.

When Direct2Drive existed, I could have sold my digitally purchased keys to anyone, borrowed them, shared or swapped them with anyone.

Digital Distribution != DRM.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/5/12 at 11:49am
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Except that digital distribution is not equivalent to DRM (ie Steam in this instance) that stops you from re-selling digital purchases due to licence agreements.
When Direct2Drive existed, I could have sold my digitally purchased keys to anyone, borrowed them, shared or swapped them with anyone.
Digital Distribution != DRM.

DRM-free sites and services like D2D & GoG are good laboratories for incubating new stuff and resurrecting the dead - in most cases, the stakeholders there are just happy someone knows their products exist. It's unrealistic to expect the whole market to follow that same model; decades of history show we're too good at circumventing their rights for them to honor ours. We laughed at the stickers on floppy disks, and we didn't stop laughing until always-on DRM came around.

I'm not saying I think DRM-at-any-cost is the right path, just that we can't hop around pretending this stuff manifested despite our cherubic innocence. Somewhere between DRM-free and always-on DRM is the middle ground, and I happen to think that services like Steam represent the quickest path for all of us to get to that space.
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Except that digital distribution is not equivalent to DRM (ie Steam in this instance) that stops you from re-selling digital purchases due to licence agreements and measures put in place to uphold them.
When Direct2Drive existed, I could have sold my digitally purchased keys to anyone, borrowed them, shared or swapped them with anyone.
Digital Distribution != DRM.

Almost every piece of software comes with the same license agreement. This is not Steam exclusive, they just help enforce it by not allowing you to "illegally" sell the license. And unless that license agreement says otherwise, you are not to sell it.

Don't like those agreements? Don't sign up for Steam, don't buy the games with the agreements, don't buy software with the agreements. Easy.

No one is forcing you to buy photoshop through Steam. You are freely choosing to do so, so you have little right to argue about it knowingly so.
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Valve should focus less on Steam and MORE on HL3 if they ever plan on releasing that DAMN game.

I wish people would stop saying rubbish like this - games are an artistic medium, and (good) art doesn't happen faster the more people you throw at it. It takes time and sparks of creativity to make something amazing, and it's better to wait longer and produce something brilliant than to rush something out of the door as fast as possible.
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Do they allow for free programs? Like Libreoffice etc.? Or do you have to be selling a program to be of value to them?

I don't really see the point in that. It's not like free games where there is actually a purpose to having them in steam like social aspects and achievements.
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Almost every piece of software comes with the same license agreement. This is not Steam exclusive, they just help enforce it by not allowing you to "illegally" sell the license. And unless that license agreement says otherwise, you are not to sell it.
Don't like those agreements? Don't sign up for Steam, don't buy the games with the agreements, don't buy software with the agreements. Easy.
No one is forcing you to buy photoshop through Steam. You are freely choosing to do so, so you have little right to argue about it knowingly so.

What's with the defensiveness?

I was having a discussion about the differences regarding someone directly equating digital distribution to DRM.

I was also having a discussion about the differences between owning a licence and the ever popular practice of not even owning a licence at all due the rise of third party software managers.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings by having that discussion. I'll try not to discuss it if I know you'll be around in the future.

Edit: @ Below.

Arguing != Having a discussion.

I was not arguing about or against Steam controlling software, simply having a discussion regarding a topic another person started. Its not the same thing.

Your argument therefore amounts to "stop saying things" so you obviously feel upset by what I'm saying. I apologise once more for seemingly offending you.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 10/7/12 at 3:21am
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post #87 of 93
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What's with the defensiveness?
I was having a discussion about the differences regarding someone directly equating digital distribution to DRM.
I was also having a discussion about the differences between owning a licence and the ever popular practice of not even owning a licence at all due the rise of third party software managers.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings by having that discussion. I'll try not to discuss it if I know you'll be around in the future.

I'm not definsive. Nor are my feelings hurt. I grew up at one of the largest NAS bases, I have very thick skin.

You're simply arguing in a thread where there is no need to argue. If people choose to allow Steam to control their software, then so be it, it's their decision. This does not affect you if you do not choose to use it.
Edited by Shrak - 10/6/12 at 9:06am
post #88 of 93
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

I like the idea. Your software can always stay up to date. Also is not like people have more then 10 application in there PC. On top of that nobody is forcing it on anyone. If its good people will use this service. To add that i feel like Valve is more Steam then game. Nothing original in a long time. I feel like people hang on to steam for HL3.

LOL... not sure if serious. What the heck do you use your computer for, a gaming console only?
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LOL... not sure if serious. What the heck do you use your computer for, a gaming console only?

Actually what he is saying is not so far fetched. I have a lot of programs installed on my computer, when I think about the programs I actually use daily, its only about 4 or 5.
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And the obvious has come to light (cant edit title + didnt want to make a new thread about it), Software is now available to be submitted on greenlight.
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