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"This is a pretty bad device" lol.

I like how quickly he was able to talk about the phone seemingly having used it for the first time, even if he knew the info on it. Good reviewer.

I love Aaron's reviews.. and he's a huge Android fan. He gives very little love to Apple. X3

His "main" device is the Galaxy S III.
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Originally Posted by zephiK View Post

He went to the convention where the phone was announced, so he had used it before. He's now doing a 30-day challenge (where he uses the phone for 30-days and gives his opinions on how his experience is with the phone during the 30 days; at the end he says whether he will keep using it as a primary device or go back to his other phone [which is the S3 which won the last 30 day challenge]

True. But, he's still an awesome reviewer. Got to give him some credit. ^__~

I love the 30 day challenge. He does a great job breaking down the pros and cons.

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I really hate this reviewer. I would rather a reviewer drop the phones directly on their face/glass than the way he's doing it. If you compare these crashes to the GS3, they were all bezel hits.
IN BEFORE BAD BUILD QUALITY cuz the back cover came off.
Although this doesn't happen with HTC phones..but their build quality is fantastic.

Regarding HTC phones: Meh, I don't know about that. First, watch this, you've probably seen it before, but proves a point.

So, we have a plastic phone, not raved for build quality, getting minimal damage vs a phone of "good" build quality getting smashed. Many people rave about the iPhone's build quality. Until dropped.

My point is we can't judge a phone by it's.... cover.

Not all HTC phones perform well when dropped, even if it has metal on it. Or whatever. I've been around friend's with HTC phones that ended up having bent metal around the screen from a drop, or completely destroyed. Even though it was "good build quality"...

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Unfortunately, you're grossly uninformed. People that renew their contracts get to keep whatever plan they were on before, including unlimited data.
I know because I had the opportunity to do the same with Verizon. I was with Verizon for half a decade or so.
Verizon pretty much charges the same for plans as AT&T but offer a better network. Much better LTE/4G coverage.
People that choose Verizon don't think about phones, trust me. They're thinking about coverage, reliability and speed. After that they're thinking about free calls to other in-network people.
The last thing MOST people are thinking about is phones. You have to realize you're in the minority when it comes to choosing a phone before a network.
VZW isn't the one hurting from denying contracts with phone manufacturers. It's the phone companies.
Also, I've had phones on VZW where the bootloader wasn't locked so..
I'm a firm believer that if the SGS4 came out but wasn't on Verizon, customers would be disappointed, but wouldn't switch carriers. They would get the next best thing.

No I am not uninformed. I read tech and mobile news on a daily basis. Users who are upgrading from a existing unlimited plan will NOT keep their plans and will be forced to change plans to upgrade their phones on a subsidized price.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/verizon-customers-say-goodbye-to-grandfathered-unlimited-data-plans-if-you-want-to-upgrade/2012/05/17/gIQAnaVwVU_story.html
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Verizon Wireless will no longer be allowing customers on a grandfathered unlimited data plan to upgrade to a 4G LTE smartphone when the carrier launches its tiered data share plans in mid-summer

You are correct.

@ Simca: Verizon and AT&T have very comparable service in terms of over all coverage and reliability. The only thing Verizon had over AT&T was more 3G coverage, which was debatable because it was so slow in many of the parts that were labeled "3G", even comparable to the Edge speeds AT&T had in those areas.

Also the fact that Verizon had extremely misleading ads. I was traveling with some friends and happened to be in a Verizon store showing a coverage map of AT&T's 3G coverage, and the store happened to be in an area showing AT&T didn't have 3G, yet I was on HSPA+. I mentioned to the sales guy and he goes, "Oh, I know..."

AT&T also supports simultaneous voice and data, which Verizon does not. A deal breaker for many people heading to the iPhone 5. Hence AT&T leads in iPhone 5 sales.

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According to the latest study from ComScore, AT&T leads the pre-orders for the hot iconic device with about 68% of total online sales in the first three days. This records the best order ever received by AT&T for the iPhones. The other two major rivals - Verizon Communications Inc . ( VZ ) and Sprint Nextel Corp . ( S ) - accounted for just 24% and 8% share of iPhone 5 sales, respectively.


One thing I will give to Verizon is that their LTE coverage exceeds any carrier. But, most people actually don't care about LTE. At least, most people I know. I haven't talked to one person that made issue about their HSPA+ service being "too slow".

Speaking of HSPA+, AT&T's HSPA+ "4G" network combined with their LTE network makes it the largest "4G" network. Which means, more 4G coverage than Verizon.

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All that said, buy a phone unsubsidized and you can keep your unlimited data.

Or you can switch carriers. Either way, people aren't switching carriers for a phone.

The point is they're not grandfathering unlimited data anymore. Most people aren't going to buy phone's unsubsidized. Hence the general discontent with Verizon changing it's policy on grandfathering accounts.

Also, Verizon offers 2GB of data for $30 while AT&T offers an additional GB for the same price. So AT&T has the better deal. No, I don't work for AT&T. HAHAHAHA
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All that said, buy a phone unsubsidized and you can keep your unlimited data.
Or you can switch carriers. Either way, people aren't switching carriers for a phone.
Unsibidized phones aren't as common as GSM carriers, but yes you can buy a phone unsubsidized and keep your plan but still a expensive route for many people (especially for multiple people in a family plan). You'd be surprised, people would switch over to Sprint/AT&T for particular phones, this is why companies believe in "carrier exclusivity."

Oh you want the iPhone 2 years ago? You'd have to go to AT&T to get the iPhone.. People aren't switching carriers for a phone, right? wink.gif
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Anyone else besides me thinking of picking this up? I'm always talking via bluetooth. My phone screen is used for web, games would be video if the res was a little higher and the screen larger. Samsung has my money if they can get this device to fit into my pocket.
Sadly, once I cross the line to a 5.5 phone I doubt I will ever be able to use something smaller again.

I'm grabbing it as soon as it hits... the screen is a bit big but I like the tablet like functions.

Any word on the release date? Last I heard it was Nov.
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I'm grabbing it as soon as it hits... the screen is a bit big but I like the tablet like functions.
Any word on the release date? Last I heard it was Nov.
Nothing official on state side, it's starting to sell internationally.
You can grab it on unsubsidized vendors if you'd choose to but compatibility with your network will vary. Super expensive if you go with this route.

http://www.expansys.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-uk-16gb-marble-white-236336/ (uk only)
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-n7100-galaxy-note-ii-16gb-unlocked-marble-white.html
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-n7105-galaxy-note-ii-16gb-unlocked-marble-white.html#.UHDU8MBFPN0
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Nothing official on state side, it's starting to sell internationally.
You can grab it on unsubsidized vendors if you'd choose to but compatibility with your network will vary. Super expensive if you go with this route.
http://www.expansys.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-uk-16gb-marble-white-236336/ (uk only)
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-n7100-galaxy-note-ii-16gb-unlocked-marble-white.html
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-n7105-galaxy-note-ii-16gb-unlocked-marble-white.html#.UHDU8MBFPN0

I'd buy those in a heartbeat but I dont see any that show CDMA support?

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One thing I will give to Verizon is that their LTE coverage exceeds any carrier. But, most people actually don't care about LTE. At least, most people I know. I haven't talked to one person that made issue about their HSPA+ service being "too slow".
Speaking of HSPA+, AT&T's HSPA+ "4G" network combined with their LTE network makes it the largest "4G" network. Which means, more 4G coverage than Verizon.
The point is they're not grandfathering unlimited data anymore. Most people aren't going to buy phone's unsubsidized. Hence the general discontent with Verizon changing it's policy on grandfathering accounts.
Also, Verizon offers 2GB of data for $30 while AT&T offers an additional GB for the same price. So AT&T has the better deal. No, I don't work for AT&T. HAHAHAHA[/quote]

Bah just for fun if you ever have the treat of having Verizon 4G phone next to a ATT Phone... it's a joke! I have been a Verizon customer for years and didnt really know how bad AT&T was until I decided to try out the Note 1 on thier service. Wow it's terrible!

The reason why people don't complain about the 1.5 - 2.5 down and up is that they dont know how much better it is with Verizon LOL! I get 20-25 down and up in most spots smile.gif

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I'd buy those in a heartbeat but I dont see any that show CDMA support?
-Scoob
Verizon & Sprint & MetroPCS are the only "CDMA" carriers of the world. International countries are mainly GSM. A VZW version will be available when they arrive to the States.

For me.. I can personally care less about LTE. It doesn't matter to me; in fact, LTE drains more battery. I'm satisfied with T-Mobille HSPA+ (4G), although it could use some work for improved service in some areas but other than that, it's definitely a value carrier.
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Good point, Miki. Build Quality vs Durability should be noted. Drop tests test durability, not build quality.

People still aren't switching carriers because of their phones.

I also don't think the SGS3 is a great phone. I was very impressed with the SGS2 when it came out, but this SGS3 isn't amazing. I'd rather have an HTC One X+ or Note II.
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One thing I will give to Verizon is that their LTE coverage exceeds any carrier. But, most people actually don't care about LTE. At least, most people I know. I haven't talked to one person that made issue about their HSPA+ service being "too slow".
Speaking of HSPA+, AT&T's HSPA+ "4G" network combined with their LTE network makes it the largest "4G" network. Which means, more 4G coverage than Verizon.
The point is they're not grandfathering unlimited data anymore. Most people aren't going to buy phone's unsubsidized. Hence the general discontent with Verizon changing it's policy on grandfathering accounts.
Also, Verizon offers 2GB of data for $30 while AT&T offers an additional GB for the same price. So AT&T has the better deal. No, I don't work for AT&T. HAHAHAHA

Bah just for fun if you ever have the treat of having Verizon 4G phone next to a ATT Phone... it's a joke! I have been a Verizon customer for years and didnt really know how bad AT&T was until I decided to try out the Note 1 on thier service. Wow it's terrible!

The reason why people don't complain about the 1.5 - 2.5 down and up is that they dont know how much better it is with Verizon LOL! I get 20-25 down and up in most spots smile.gif

-Scoob

Ah, well, it really depends on your location. I'm hovering around 5mbps, sometimes higher, and I'm totally fine with that. Sure, the speeds you get on your LTE device are definitely faster, but that doesn't mean that my speeds are "slow"...

Actually, it's kind of amusing you mentioned me using a Verizon 4G phone, because my bother is here and he's got a Verizon LTE phone. HAHA!

Anyway, AT&T does have LTE deployed where I live, when I upgrade I'll be "caught up" in having ridiculous speeds I won't notice since I'm on Wifi 90% of the time. ^__~
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I also don't think the SGS3 is a great phone. I was very impressed with the SGS2 when it came out, but this SGS3 isn't amazing. I'd rather have an HTC One X+ or Note II.

Totally agree.

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People still aren't switching carriers because of their phones.

Check this out: Have you ever switched carriers to get a specific device?.

I think the comments are pretty interesting. You'll notice that many actually do switch because of their phone.
Edited by Miki - 10/6/12 at 10:35pm
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And Verizon wouldn't? People wouldn't upgrade their phones then. T-Mobile doesn't have iPhones, people migrate to other carriers or use 2G with their service (or move to T-Mobile and wait for their 1900 to come up)
... Sprint and T-Mobile offer Unlimited Data. VZW does not. Loyality exists in some people for carriers, some don't. It's a two way street.
If VZW didn't get the Galaxy S4, VZW would take a huge hit. So would Samsung. But giving the carrier "no we're not going to lock the bootloader for your VZW; either take it unlocked bootloader or not a phone" is a stand. Apple doesn't have to do this because carriers have to sign a contract to offer their phone on their carrier and I'm sure somewhere in here is included. I don't think carriers have to approve of Apple's OTA of iOS versions. They're all unified.
Phone manufacturers have the same weight as their carriers. If they don't accept, then oh well.... they'll get their sales elsewhere. Profit is profit.

T-Mobile does not offer TRUE unlimited data. You can get either 1gb, 5gb, or 10gb of data at full speed and the rest is throttled WAY below that of 2g speeds. When you pass your limit it is virtually unusable, I know because I had them. Sad fact is that ALL US carriers rip you guys off. After living in the UK and seeing how they operate here, it is pure LOL. 40gbp a month (roughly $65 US) and I get 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts, 5,000 texts within my network, and true unlimited HSPA+ data and they gave me a Note 2 for free.

Verizon does have the widest coverage but they also have the most dropped calls for no reason. Same experience as Vodaphone here in the UK. Combine that with their absolutely appalling customer service and they have a large customer base that has zero loyalty to them. Trust me when their customers have issues they leave because it is so bad. I know personally 4 people who threatened Verizon with lawsuits over how they were treated and their criminal business practices. Verizon fixed the problems extremely fast when that happened and the customers still left for another carrier.
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