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Intel thinks Haswell is going to change Ultrabooks, but there is one big problem, price. If you recall, they are putting a large chunk of memory on the high end parts, and that doesn’t come cheap.
The idea is simple enough, put a large chunk of slow but wide memory close to the CPU and use it to save lots of power. Take that savings and use it for more GPU performance. The problem is that putting the memory on Haswell is complex, and low yields mean higher prices for the functional ones. On top of that, you have the cost of a complex and bespoke memory type that Intel has made specifically for the project. This all adds up.

looks like AMD might final get a big win here

Source-http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/03/oems-call-intels-haswell-pricing-absurd/
    
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You forgot the source in the title smile.gif
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Isn't Haswell just integrated graphics and TDP improvements (IIRC they're going back to using flat transistors, not ones with fins)?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe some small performance gains, or possibly nothing at all.
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Isn't Haswell just integrated graphics and TDP improvements (IIRC they're going back to using flat transistors, not ones with fins)?
Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe some small performance gains, or possibly nothing at all.

Basically they're aiming to get the same performance out of a 10 watt TDP than they would've from an IVY bridge at 17 watts TDP.

So you either keep it at 10 watts for better battery life and the same performance, or you keep your TDP at 17 watts and get the equivalent of an IVY bridget 30 watt TDP performance
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Haswell is a mostly new architecture that Intel's own projections put it at a 15% greater IPC in non-optimized workloads, 100% in graphics, and 100% faster in workloads that take advantage of AVX2 all while lowering power consumption significantly for uBooks. Intel is sticking with Finfets as they wouldn't be able to achieve the low load an idle power consumption with regular, planar gates. They're too leaky.

This article may be true, or it may be complete and utter fiction. But if it is true, then the increased cost in the processor may be offset by the reduced cost of insulation, circuitry, and cooling required for Haswell CPUs. Furthermore, OEMs can further offset the cost by creating higher-end SKUs with better features to justify the alleged increased cost of Haswell. Finally, OEMs still have the option to ship the more power hungry 2nd and 3rd generation Core architecture for their low- and medium-end devices to save Haswell for the more higher-end SKUs.

Why is every article published by SemiAccurate rife with muckracking
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Um 285 dollars for an OEM chip thats top of the line? Thats no worse than Sandy or Ivy and with a lower TDP ... why are these guys crying again?

The 100% IGP performance alone should make that a heck of a leap!
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Basically they're aiming to get the same performance out of a 10 watt TDP than they would've from an IVY bridge at 17 watts TDP.
So you either keep it at 10 watts for better battery life and the same performance, or you keep your TDP at 17 watts and get the equivalent of an IVY bridget 30 watt TDP performance

Okay, so just higher efficiency...

Not worth waiting then as far as desktop goes. Only a few extra cents on the power bill.

That and the possibly increase in overclock doesn't matter to me because...well I just don't overclock...
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well I just don't overclock...
Blasphemy! What are you doing here son? tongue.gif
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